Author: Ron Murawski
Date: 09:13:25 06/19/03
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On June 19, 2003 at 00:29:23, Mr j smith wrote: >On June 18, 2003 at 21:33:23, Matthew White wrote: > >>On June 18, 2003 at 18:54:04, Mr j smith wrote: >> >>>On June 18, 2003 at 18:02:23, Joachim Rang wrote: >>> >>>>On June 18, 2003 at 14:04:21, Mr j smith wrote: >>>> >>>>>On June 18, 2003 at 13:05:13, Joachim Rang wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On June 18, 2003 at 12:50:24, Mr j smith wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>For those who continue to insist that Chessbase has wronged them by not >>>>>>>including 2 free engines with their purchase of Junior 8, in the face of the >>>>>>>plain meaning of the advertisments (which clearly state that only Deep Junior >>>>>>>purchasers receive the 2 free engines ), in contrast to the ambiguous cd covers, >>>>>>>and example from the real world may help show why your whining will fail to >>>>>>>bring you satisfaction. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Suppose that a franchise holder of Mercedes Benz automobiles places an ad in >>>>>>>various newspapers and by accident the people in charge of the advertising copy >>>>>>>switch prices and certain details of a Mercedes Benz with a plain old Ford >>>>>>>sedan. In my example instead of selling for $50,000 the Benz was advertised for >>>>>>>$10,000. >>>>>> >>>>>>This is a different case. >>>>> >>>>>No it isnt a different case. Its the same logic. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>I'm afraid not. I'm not a lawyer but I had a course in civil law in the >>>>university and there is a big difference between these two cases. the difference >>>>is mainly due to the fact that in one case you already purchased the product, >>>>which gives you certain rights in your example you didn't yet purchased the >>>>product which gives you not such rights. I could quote for you the paragraphs of >>>>the german civil law - but I think you are not interested. I'm pretty sure that >>>>in America these laws are similiar. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> An error in an ad, don't give you the right to make a >>>>>>purchase based on that error. If you already bought a product and it lacks >>>>>>certain assured characteristics (due to an error in the ad for example) you have >>>>>>the right to demand either a fix or a compensation. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Do you think it would be both fair and legal for Mercedes Benz to honor such a >>>>>>>mistake? Of course not. There is no court in the United States that would >>>>>>>honor such an obvious mistake, and in the United States, there is the UCC >>>>>>>(Uniform Commercial Code) which deals with such issues. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>From the examples of advertised print that I have seen it would seem that there >>>>>>>was a mistake on the part of the advertisement department of Chessbase, which >>>>>>>Chessbase almost immediately rectified. The mistake however is only >>>>>>>superficial; the CD cover. A careful reading of all the ad copy clearly states >>>>>>>that only Deep Junior 8 was offering 2 free engines, not Junior8. >>>>> >>>>>No, >>> >>> >>>Germany and most of Europe has laws based on the Roman civil code. In America, >>>our laws are based upon the English Common law. >>> >>>As I have stated, from what I have seen, it seems that Chessbase doesnt have to >>>provide free engines since its ads clearly state that the engines are included >>>with Deep Junior only. >> >>You are simply wrong here. Its previous ads clearly stated that two engines >>would be included. You keep calling them free engines, however, the customers >>are paying for them... Many customers bought Junior 8 expecting to receive the >>engine that gave Kasparov a hard time in the match. That is not what they got. >>Also, you keep mentioning that Deep Junior purchasers will receive two engines >>according to the ads... In reality, the receive 3 engines. > > >An url that was provided for a uk retailer had the cover showing junior 8 and >then the body of the ad which repeatedly stated that deep junior8 came with the >2 aformentioned engines. Sorry, but I have yet to see anybody post an image of >said offending ad. This is a cached copy from Google of a Chessbase page that has since been removed: http://216.239.57.100/search?q=cache:T-VqCAZNBO0J:www.chessbase.com/shop/product.asp%3Fpid%3D171+%22With+Junior+8+you+get+two+chess+engines%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
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