Computer Chess Club Archives


Search

Terms

Messages

Subject: Re: not really

Author: Ron Murawski

Date: 09:13:25 06/19/03

Go up one level in this thread


On June 19, 2003 at 00:29:23, Mr j smith wrote:

>On June 18, 2003 at 21:33:23, Matthew White wrote:
>
>>On June 18, 2003 at 18:54:04, Mr j smith wrote:
>>
>>>On June 18, 2003 at 18:02:23, Joachim Rang wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 18, 2003 at 14:04:21, Mr j smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On June 18, 2003 at 13:05:13, Joachim Rang wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On June 18, 2003 at 12:50:24, Mr j smith wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>For those who continue to insist that Chessbase has wronged them by not
>>>>>>>including 2 free engines with their purchase of Junior 8, in the face of the
>>>>>>>plain meaning of the advertisments (which clearly state that only Deep Junior
>>>>>>>purchasers receive the 2 free engines ), in contrast to the ambiguous cd covers,
>>>>>>>and example from the real world may help show why your whining will fail to
>>>>>>>bring you satisfaction.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Suppose that a franchise holder of Mercedes Benz automobiles places an ad in
>>>>>>>various newspapers and by accident the people in charge of the advertising copy
>>>>>>>switch prices and certain details of a Mercedes Benz with a plain old Ford
>>>>>>>sedan.  In my example instead of selling for $50,000 the Benz was advertised for
>>>>>>>$10,000.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is a different case.
>>>>>
>>>>>No it isnt a different case.  Its the same logic.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I'm afraid not. I'm not a lawyer but I had a course in civil law in the
>>>>university and there is a big difference between these two cases. the difference
>>>>is mainly due to the fact that in one case you already purchased the product,
>>>>which gives you certain rights in your example you didn't yet purchased the
>>>>product which gives you not such rights. I could quote for you the paragraphs of
>>>>the german civil law - but I think you are not interested. I'm pretty sure that
>>>>in America these laws are similiar.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> An error in an ad, don't give you the right to make a
>>>>>>purchase based on that error. If you already bought a product and it lacks
>>>>>>certain assured characteristics (due to an error in the ad for example) you have
>>>>>>the right to demand either a fix or a compensation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Do you think it would be both fair and legal for Mercedes Benz to honor such a
>>>>>>>mistake?  Of course not.  There is no court in the United States that would
>>>>>>>honor such an obvious mistake, and in the United States, there is the UCC
>>>>>>>(Uniform Commercial Code) which deals with such issues.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>From the examples of advertised print that I have seen it would seem that there
>>>>>>>was a mistake on the part of the advertisement department of Chessbase, which
>>>>>>>Chessbase almost immediately rectified.  The mistake however is only
>>>>>>>superficial; the CD cover.  A careful reading of all the ad copy clearly states
>>>>>>>that only Deep Junior 8 was offering 2 free engines, not Junior8.
>>>>>
>>>>>No,
>>>
>>>
>>>Germany and most of Europe has laws based on the Roman civil code.  In America,
>>>our laws are based upon the English Common law.
>>>
>>>As I have stated, from what I have seen, it seems that Chessbase doesnt have to
>>>provide free engines since its ads clearly state that the engines are included
>>>with Deep Junior only.
>>
>>You are simply wrong here. Its previous ads clearly stated that two engines
>>would be included. You keep calling them free engines, however, the customers
>>are paying for them... Many customers bought Junior 8 expecting to receive the
>>engine that gave Kasparov a hard time in the match. That is not what they got.
>>Also, you keep mentioning that Deep Junior purchasers will receive two engines
>>according to the ads... In reality, the receive 3 engines.
>
>
>An url that was provided for a uk retailer had the cover showing junior 8 and
>then the body of the ad which repeatedly stated that deep junior8 came with the
>2 aformentioned engines.  Sorry, but I have yet to see anybody post an image of
>said offending ad.

This is a cached copy from Google of a Chessbase page that has since been
removed:
http://216.239.57.100/search?q=cache:T-VqCAZNBO0J:www.chessbase.com/shop/product.asp%3Fpid%3D171+%22With+Junior+8+you+get+two+chess+engines%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8



This page took 0 seconds to execute

Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700

Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.