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Subject: Re: Junior 6 engine seems at the same level of Hiarcs engine

Author: Alessio Iacovoni

Date: 01:04:33 10/22/98

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On October 22, 1998 at 03:31:10, blass uri wrote:

>
>On October 22, 1998 at 03:22:57, Alessio Iacovoni wrote:
>
>>I just finished my tests with the engine-engine function of Junior. This time I
>>was careful to reduce hash sizes in order to avoid any mistakes from possible
>>delay due to the hard disk grinding (I believe this was the reason for those
>>problems in the previous tests).
>>
>>Processor: AMD 200 MMX
>>Cache: 8 M
>>Total games:32
>>Time control: 10 minutes
>>Book settings: Same openings played by both sides
>>Book: Fritz5
>>Result:
>>
>>Hiarcs 6: 10
>>Junior 5: 10
>>Draws: 12
>>
>>Just from these first results it is interesting to notice that when both sides
>>play the same opening (eliminating any randomness), playing strength seems to
>>even out incredibly. I wonder if test are carried out in the same way by SSDF.
>>If not, why?
>
>not by the same way.
>
>1)They give every program its opening book because they  want to test the level
>of the program(good opening book is a part of it)

As I have already stated in the past I don't agree with this... When talking
about the strength of a program people generally (aside for experts) do not
refer to the book but to the engine...Does SSDF explicitly state that program A
+ book A ranks higher than program B + book B? If not it leads people to think
that it it the engine alone that is stronger, which is not the case (see any
thread on computer.chess). That I know of the SSDF lists do not mention at all
the book used in listing the strength of the programs.
>
>2) they do not do engine v engine but play with 2 computers so every program can
>"think" in the opponent's time.
>

Ok.. I know that. Separate computers is better.

>3)They play 2 hours per 40 moves and not 10 minutes for all the game.
>

Why? Is that the time control usually adopted by the people that buy computer
programs (WOW 2 hours/40 moves seems quite boring to play against a computer).
Also.. can the ranking of a computer at 2h/40 moves say anything about it's
strength at 30 minutes per game? or 10?


>Uri



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