Author: Terry McCracken
Date: 17:38:11 06/19/03
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On June 19, 2003 at 13:28:30, Mr j smith wrote: >On June 19, 2003 at 12:13:25, Ron Murawski wrote: > >>On June 19, 2003 at 00:29:23, Mr j smith wrote: >> >>>On June 18, 2003 at 21:33:23, Matthew White wrote: >>> >>>>On June 18, 2003 at 18:54:04, Mr j smith wrote: >>>> >>>>>On June 18, 2003 at 18:02:23, Joachim Rang wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On June 18, 2003 at 14:04:21, Mr j smith wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On June 18, 2003 at 13:05:13, Joachim Rang wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On June 18, 2003 at 12:50:24, Mr j smith wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>For those who continue to insist that Chessbase has wronged them by not >>>>>>>>>including 2 free engines with their purchase of Junior 8, in the face of the >>>>>>>>>plain meaning of the advertisments (which clearly state that only Deep Junior >>>>>>>>>purchasers receive the 2 free engines ), in contrast to the ambiguous cd covers, >>>>>>>>>and example from the real world may help show why your whining will fail to >>>>>>>>>bring you satisfaction. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Suppose that a franchise holder of Mercedes Benz automobiles places an ad in >>>>>>>>>various newspapers and by accident the people in charge of the advertising copy >>>>>>>>>switch prices and certain details of a Mercedes Benz with a plain old Ford >>>>>>>>>sedan. In my example instead of selling for $50,000 the Benz was advertised for >>>>>>>>>$10,000. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>This is a different case. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>No it isnt a different case. Its the same logic. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I'm afraid not. I'm not a lawyer but I had a course in civil law in the >>>>>>university and there is a big difference between these two cases. the difference >>>>>>is mainly due to the fact that in one case you already purchased the product, >>>>>>which gives you certain rights in your example you didn't yet purchased the >>>>>>product which gives you not such rights. I could quote for you the paragraphs of >>>>>>the german civil law - but I think you are not interested. I'm pretty sure that >>>>>>in America these laws are similiar. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> An error in an ad, don't give you the right to make a >>>>>>>>purchase based on that error. If you already bought a product and it lacks >>>>>>>>certain assured characteristics (due to an error in the ad for example) you have >>>>>>>>the right to demand either a fix or a compensation. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Do you think it would be both fair and legal for Mercedes Benz to honor such a >>>>>>>>>mistake? Of course not. There is no court in the United States that would >>>>>>>>>honor such an obvious mistake, and in the United States, there is the UCC >>>>>>>>>(Uniform Commercial Code) which deals with such issues. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>From the examples of advertised print that I have seen it would seem that there >>>>>>>>>was a mistake on the part of the advertisement department of Chessbase, which >>>>>>>>>Chessbase almost immediately rectified. The mistake however is only >>>>>>>>>superficial; the CD cover. A careful reading of all the ad copy clearly states >>>>>>>>>that only Deep Junior 8 was offering 2 free engines, not Junior8. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>No, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Germany and most of Europe has laws based on the Roman civil code. In America, >>>>>our laws are based upon the English Common law. >>>>> >>>>>As I have stated, from what I have seen, it seems that Chessbase doesnt have to >>>>>provide free engines since its ads clearly state that the engines are included >>>>>with Deep Junior only. >>>> >>>>You are simply wrong here. Its previous ads clearly stated that two engines >>>>would be included. You keep calling them free engines, however, the customers >>>>are paying for them... Many customers bought Junior 8 expecting to receive the >>>>engine that gave Kasparov a hard time in the match. That is not what they got. >>>>Also, you keep mentioning that Deep Junior purchasers will receive two engines >>>>according to the ads... In reality, the receive 3 engines. >>> >>> >>>An url that was provided for a uk retailer had the cover showing junior 8 and >>>then the body of the ad which repeatedly stated that deep junior8 came with the >>>2 aformentioned engines. Sorry, but I have yet to see anybody post an image of >>>said offending ad. >> >>This is a cached copy from Google of a Chessbase page that has since been >>removed: >>http://216.239.57.100/search?q=cache:T-VqCAZNBO0J:www.chessbase.com/shop/product.asp%3Fpid%3D171+%22With+Junior+8+you+get+two+chess+engines%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 > > > >The link that you provided to prove your point only shows how wrong you and the >others asking for free engines are. The very heading of the article says DEEP >JUNIOR. > >End of story. What I showed you had nothing to do with Deep Junior, either your obtuse, an indolent prick, or a invidious troll.....or all of the above. Give it a rest...if you can?
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