Author: Mike Byrne
Date: 04:33:25 06/20/03
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On June 20, 2003 at 07:29:35, Mike Byrne wrote: >On June 20, 2003 at 06:15:09, Joachim Rang wrote: > >>On June 20, 2003 at 05:05:24, Vincent Lejeune wrote: >> >>> >>>I'm running a test with Chesstiger 15 and the Valentin Albillo test set (see >>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?301806) and what a surprise >>>Chesstiger have a problem with the first position the well known FINE 70 (Kb1!); >>>Crafty, Fritz, Hiarcs have no problem with this position; so why CT ? hashtable >>>weakness, pruning weakness or somehting else ? Christophe, an idea ? >>> >>>>> >>>I will publish the result for all positions later Celeron@875, 96 MB hash, 15 >>>min/pos >> >> >>DeepSjeng has also Problems. At least in beta stage when I tested the program. >>Gian-Carlo replied to my message with the argument, that tuning an engine for >>this position makes it weaker in general pawn endgames. I'm sure the views >>differ on that position but maybe Theron agrees with Gian-Carlo that this >>specific position is an artificial one. >> >>regards Joachim > >this position is a question of search not tuning... that is, this position is a question of search not positional tuning...it could be a question search tuning .. > >New game >[d] 8/k7/3p4/p2P1p2/P2P1P2/8/8/K7 w - - 0 1 > >Analysis by Crafty 19.03 Lasker: > >1.Kb2 Kb8 2.Kc3 Kb7 3.Kc4 Kb6 4.Kd3 Kc7 5.Kc2 Kc8 6.Kd2 Kd7 7.Kc3 Ke7 8.Kd3 Kf6 > ± (1.21) Depth: 16 00:00:01 13kN >1.Kb2 Kb8 2.Kc3 Kb7 3.Kc4 Kb6 4.Kd3 Kc7 5.Kc2 Kc8 6.Kd2 Kd7 7.Kc3 Ke7 8.Kd3 Kf6 > ± (1.21) Depth: 16 00:00:01 13kN >1.Kb2 Kb8 2.Kc3 Kb7 3.Kc4 Kb6 4.Kd3 Kc7 5.Kc2 Kc8 6.Kd2 Kd7 7.Kc3 Kc8 8.Kc4 Kd7 >9.Kd3 > ± (1.21) Depth: 17 00:00:01 16kN >1.Kb2 Kb8 2.Kc3 Kb7 3.Kc4 Kb6 4.Kd3 Kc7 5.Kc2 Kc8 6.Kd2 Kd7 7.Kc3 Kc8 8.Kc4 Kd7 >9.Kd3 > ± (1.21) Depth: 17 00:00:01 16kN >1.Kb2 Kb8 2.Kc3 Kb7 3.Kc4 Kb6 4.Kd3 Kc7 5.Kc2 Kc8 6.Kd2 Kd7 7.Kc3 Kc7 8.Kd3 Kb7 >9.Ke2 Kc7 > ± (1.21) Depth: 18 00:00:01 26kN >1.Kb2 Kb8 2.Kc3 Kb7 3.Kc4 Kb6 4.Kd3 Kc7 5.Kc2 Kc8 6.Kd2 Kd7 7.Kc3 Kc7 8.Kd3 Kb7 >9.Ke2 Kc7 > ± (1.21) Depth: 18 00:00:01 26kN >1.Kb2 Kb8 2.Kc3 Kb7 3.Kc4 Kb6 4.Kd3 Kc7 5.Kc2 Kb8 6.Kd2 Kc8 7.Ke2 Kd7 8.Ke3 Kd8 >9.Kf3 Ke7 10.Ke3 > ± (1.21) Depth: 19 00:00:01 31kN >1.Kb2 Kb8 2.Kc3 Kb7 3.Kc4 Kb6 4.Kd3 Kc7 5.Kc2 Kb8 6.Kd2 Kc8 7.Ke2 Kd7 8.Ke3 Kd8 >9.Kf3 Ke7 10.Ke3 > ± (1.21) Depth: 19 00:00:01 36kN >1.Kb2 Kb8 2.Kc3 Kb7 3.Kc4 Kb6 4.Kd3 Kc7 5.Kc2 Kb8 6.Kb2 Kc8 7.Kc1 Kc7 8.Kd2 Kd7 >9.Kc3 Kc7 10.Kd3 Kd7 > ± (1.21) Depth: 20 00:00:01 36kN >1.Kb2 Kb8 2.Kc3 Kb7 3.Kc4 Kb6 4.Kd3 Kc7 5.Kc2 Kb8 6.Kb2 Kc8 7.Kc1 Kc7 8.Kd2 Kd7 >9.Kc3 Kc7 10.Kd3 Kd7 > ± (1.21) Depth: 20 00:00:01 37kN >1.Kb2 Kb8 2.Kc3 Kb7 3.Kc4 Kb6 4.Kd3 Kc7 5.Kc2 Kb8 6.Kb2 Kc8 7.Kc1 Kc7 8.Kd2 Kd7 >9.Kc3 Kc8 10.Kc4 Kd7 11.Kd3 > ± (1.21) Depth: 21 00:00:01 48kN >1.Kb2 Kb8 2.Kc3 Kb7 3.Kc4 Kb6 4.Kd3 Kc7 5.Kc2 Kb8 6.Kb2 Kc8 7.Kc1 Kc7 8.Kd2 Kd7 >9.Kc3 Kc8 10.Kc4 Kd7 11.Kd3 > ± (1.21) Depth: 21 00:00:01 48kN >1.Kb1 > +- (1.61) Depth: 24 00:00:01 94kN >1.Kb1 > +- (1.61) Depth: 24 00:00:01 94kN >1.Kb1 > +- (1.61) Depth: 24 00:00:01 94kN >1.Kb1 > +- (1.61) Depth: 24 00:00:01 94kN >1.Kb1 > +- (1.61) Depth: 24 00:00:01 94kN >1.Kb1 > +- (1.61) Depth: 24 00:00:01 94kN >1.Kb1 Ka8 2.Kb2 Kb8 3.Kc2 Kc7 4.Kd3 Kb7 5.Ke2 Kc7 6.Kf3 Kb7 7.Kg3 Kc7 8.Kh4 Kc8 >9.Kg5 Kc7 10.Kxf5 Kd7 11.Ke4 Kc8 12.f5 Kd7 > +- (3.75) Depth: 24 00:00:01 121kN >1.Kb1 Ka8 2.Kb2 Kb8 3.Kc2 Kc7 4.Kd3 Kb7 5.Ke2 Kc7 6.Kf3 Kb7 7.Kg3 Kc7 8.Kh4 Kc8 >9.Kg5 Kc7 10.Kxf5 Kd7 11.Ke4 Kc8 12.f5 Kd7 > +- (3.75) Depth: 24 00:00:01 121kN >1.Kb1 Ka8 2.Kb2 Kb8 3.Kc2 Kc7 4.Kd3 Kb7 5.Ke2 Kc7 6.Kf3 Kb7 7.Kg3 Kc7 8.Kh4 Kd7 >9.Kg5 Ke7 10.Kxf5 Kf7 11.Kg5 Kg7 12.f5 Kf7 13.Kf4 > +- (3.75) Depth: 25 00:00:01 136kN >1.Kb1 Ka8 2.Kb2 Kb8 3.Kc2 Kc7 4.Kd3 Kb7 5.Ke2 Kc7 6.Kf3 Kb7 7.Kg3 Kc7 8.Kh4 Kd7 >9.Kg5 Ke7 10.Kxf5 Kf7 11.Kg5 Kg7 12.f5 Kf7 13.Kf4 > +- (3.75) Depth: 25 00:00:01 137kN >1.Kb1 Ka8 2.Kb2 Kb8 3.Kc2 Kc7 4.Kd3 Kb7 5.Ke2 Kc7 6.Kf3 Kb7 7.Kg3 Kc7 8.Kh4 Kd7 >9.Kg5 Ke7 10.Kxf5 Kf7 11.Kg5 Kg7 12.f5 Kf8 13.f6 Kf7 > +- (3.73) Depth: 26 00:00:01 160kN >1.Kb1 Ka8 2.Kb2 Kb8 3.Kc2 Kc7 4.Kd3 Kb7 5.Ke2 Kc7 6.Kf3 Kb7 7.Kg3 Kc7 8.Kh4 Kd7 >9.Kg5 Ke7 10.Kxf5 Kf7 11.Kg5 Kg7 12.f5 Kf8 13.f6 Kf7 > +- (3.73) Depth: 26 00:00:01 160kN >1.Kb1 > +- (4.13) Depth: 27 00:00:02 193kN >1.Kb1 Ka8 2.Kb2 Kb8 3.Kc2 Kc7 4.Kd3 Kb7 5.Ke2 Kc7 6.Kf3 Kb7 7.Kg3 Kc7 8.Kh4 Kd7 >9.Kg5 Ke7 10.Kxf5 Kf7 11.Kg5 Kg7 12.f5 Kf8 13.Kg6 Ke7 14.f6+ Kd7 > +- (4.68) Depth: 27 00:00:02 234kN >1.Kb1 Ka8 2.Kb2 Kb8 3.Kc2 Kc7 4.Kd3 Kb7 5.Ke2 Kc7 6.Kf3 Kb7 7.Kg3 Kc7 8.Kh4 Kd7 >9.Kg5 Ke7 10.Kxf5 Kf7 11.Kg5 Kg7 12.f5 Kf8 13.Kg6 Ke7 14.f6+ Kd7 > +- (4.68) Depth: 27 00:00:02 234kN >1.Kb1 Ka8 2.Kb2 Kb8 3.Kc2 Kc7 4.Kd3 Kb7 5.Ke2 Kc7 6.Kf3 Kb7 7.Kg3 Kc7 8.Kh4 Kd7 >9.Kg5 Ke7 10.Kxf5 Kf7 11.Kg5 Kg7 12.f5 Kf7 13.f6 Ke8 14.Kg6 > +- (4.68) Depth: 28 00:00:02 265kN >1.Kb1 Ka8 2.Kb2 Kb8 3.Kc2 Kc7 4.Kd3 Kb7 5.Ke2 Kc7 6.Kf3 Kb7 7.Kg3 Kc7 8.Kh4 Kd7 >9.Kg5 Ke7 10.Kxf5 Kf7 11.Kg5 Kg7 12.f5 Kf7 13.f6 Ke8 14.Kg6 > +- (4.68) Depth: 28 00:00:02 265kN >1.Kb1 Ka8 2.Kb2 Kb8 3.Kc2 Kc7 4.Kd3 Kb7 5.Ke2 Kc7 6.Kf3 Kb7 7.Kg3 Kc7 8.Kh4 Kd7 >9.Kg5 Ke7 10.Kg6 Kd7 11.Kxf5 Ke7 12.Kg5 Kd7 13.Kg6 Ke7 14.f5 Kd7 15.f6 > +- (4.68) Depth: 29 00:00:02 305kN >1.Kb1 Ka8 2.Kb2 Kb8 3.Kc2 Kc7 4.Kd3 Kb7 5.Ke2 Kc7 6.Kf3 Kb7 7.Kg3 Kc7 8.Kh4 Kd7 >9.Kg5 Ke7 10.Kg6 Kd7 11.Kxf5 Ke7 12.Kg5 Kd7 13.Kg6 Ke7 14.f5 Kd7 15.f6 > +- (4.68) Depth: 29 00:00:02 305kN >1.Kb1 Ka8 2.Kb2 Kb8 3.Kc2 Kc7 4.Kd3 Kb7 5.Ke2 Kc7 6.Kf3 Kb7 7.Kg3 Kc7 8.Kh4 Kd7 >9.Kg5 Ke7 10.Kg6 Ke8 11.Kxf5 Ke7 12.Kg5 > +- (4.68) Depth: 30 00:00:03 356kN >1.Kb1 Ka8 2.Kb2 Kb8 3.Kc2 Kc7 4.Kd3 Kb7 5.Ke2 Kc7 6.Kf3 Kb7 7.Kg3 Kc7 8.Kh4 Kd7 >9.Kg5 Ke7 10.Kg6 Ke8 11.Kxf5 Ke7 12.Kg5 > +- (4.68) Depth: 30 00:00:03 356kN >1.Kb1 Ka8 2.Kb2 Kb8 3.Kc2 Kc7 4.Kd3 Kb7 5.Ke2 Kc7 6.Kf3 Kd7 7.Kg3 Ke7 8.Kh4 Kf6 >9.Kh5 Kf7 10.Kg5 Kg7 11.Kxf5 Kf7 12.Kg5 Kg7 13.f5 Kf7 14.f6 Kf8 15.Kg4 Ke8 >16.Kf5 > +- (4.68) Depth: 31 00:00:03 429kN >1.Kb1 Ka8 2.Kb2 Kb8 3.Kc2 Kc7 4.Kd3 Kb7 5.Ke2 Kc7 6.Kf3 Kd7 7.Kg3 Ke7 8.Kh4 Kf6 >9.Kh5 Kf7 10.Kg5 Kg7 11.Kxf5 Kf7 12.Kg5 Kg7 13.f5 Kf7 14.f6 Kf8 15.Kg4 Ke8 >16.Kf5 > +- (4.68) Depth: 31 00:00:03 429kN >1.Kb1 Ka8 2.Kb2 Kb8 3.Kc2 Kc7 4.Kd3 Kb7 5.Ke2 Kc7 6.Kf3 Kd7 7.Kg3 Ke7 8.Kh4 Kf6 >9.Kh5 Kf7 10.Kg5 Kg7 11.Kxf5 Kf7 12.Kg5 Kg7 13.f5 Kf7 14.f6 Kf8 15.Kg6 Kg8 >16.f7+ Kf8 > +- (4.61) Depth: 32 00:00:03 537kN >1.Kb1 Ka8 2.Kb2 Kb8 3.Kc2 Kc7 4.Kd3 Kb7 5.Ke2 Kc7 6.Kf3 Kd7 7.Kg3 Ke7 8.Kh4 Kf6 >9.Kh5 Kf7 10.Kg5 Kg7 11.Kxf5 Kf7 12.Kg5 Kg7 13.f5 Kf7 14.f6 Kf8 15.Kg6 Kg8 >16.f7+ Kf8 > +- (4.61) Depth: 32 00:00:03 537kN >1.Kb1 Ka8 2.Kb2 Kb8 3.Kc2 Kc7 4.Kd3 Kb7 5.Ke2 Kc7 6.Kf3 Kd7 7.Kg3 Ke7 8.Kh4 Kf6 >9.Kh5 Kf7 10.Kg5 Kg7 11.Kxf5 Kf7 12.Kg5 Kg7 13.f5 Kf7 14.f6 Kf8 15.Kg4 Ke8 >16.Kf4 Kf8 > +- (4.78) Depth: 33 00:00:05 756kN >1.Kb1 Ka8 2.Kb2 Kb8 3.Kc2 Kc7 4.Kd3 Kb7 5.Ke2 Kc7 6.Kf3 Kd7 7.Kg3 Ke7 8.Kh4 Kf6 >9.Kh5 Kf7 10.Kg5 Kg7 11.Kxf5 Kf7 12.Kg5 Kg7 13.f5 Kf7 14.f6 Kf8 15.Kg4 Ke8 >16.Kf4 Kf8 > +- (4.78) Depth: 33 00:00:05 762kN >1.Kb1 Ka8 2.Kb2 Kb8 3.Kc2 Kc7 4.Kd3 Kb7 5.Ke2 Kc7 6.Kf3 Kd7 7.Kg3 Ke7 8.Kh4 Kf6 >9.Kh5 Kf7 10.Kg5 Kg7 11.Kxf5 Kf7 12.Ke4 Kg6 13.Kd3 Kh6 14.Kc4 Kg6 15.Kb5 Kf5 >16.Kc6 Kxf4 > +- (5.17) Depth: 34 00:00:06 1033kN >1.Kb1 Ka8 2.Kb2 Kb8 3.Kc2 Kc7 4.Kd3 Kb7 5.Ke2 Kc7 6.Kf3 Kd7 7.Kg3 Ke7 8.Kh4 Kf6 >9.Kh5 Kf7 10.Kg5 Kg7 11.Kxf5 Kf7 12.Ke4 Kg6 13.Kd3 Kh6 14.Kc4 Kg6 15.Kb5 Kf5 >16.Kc6 Kxf4 > +- (5.17) Depth: 34 00:00:06 1044kN >1.Kb1 Ka8 2.Kb2 Kb8 3.Kc2 Kc7 4.Kd3 Kb7 5.Ke2 Kc7 6.Kf3 Kd7 7.Kg3 Ke7 8.Kh4 Kf6 >9.Kh5 Kf7 10.Kg5 Kg7 11.Kxf5 Kf7 12.Kg5 Kg7 13.f5 Kf7 14.f6 Kf8 15.Kg4 Ke8 >16.Kf4 Kf8 > +- (4.68) Depth: 35 00:00:10 1483kN >1.Kb1 Ka8 2.Kb2 Kb8 3.Kc2 Kc7 4.Kd3 Kb7 5.Ke2 Kc7 6.Kf3 Kd7 7.Kg3 Ke7 8.Kh4 Kf6 >9.Kh5 Kf7 10.Kg5 Kg7 11.Kxf5 Kf7 12.Kg5 Kg7 13.f5 Kf7 14.f6 Kf8 15.Kg4 Ke8 >16.Kf4 Kf8 > +- (4.68) Depth: 35 00:00:10 1497kN >1.Kb1 > +- (5.08) Depth: 36 00:00:11 1705kN >1.Kb1 Ka8 2.Kb2 Kb8 3.Kc2 Kc7 4.Kd3 Kb7 5.Ke2 Kc7 6.Kf3 Kd7 7.Kg3 Ke7 8.Kh4 Kf6 >9.Kh5 Kf7 10.Kg5 Kg7 11.Kxf5 Kf7 12.Ke4 Kg6 13.Kd3 Kf5 14.Kc4 Kxf4 15.Kb5 Kg5 >16.Kc6 Kf5 > +- (5.59) Depth: 36 00:00:13 2286kN >1.Kb1 Ka8 2.Kb2 Kb8 3.Kc2 Kc7 4.Kd3 Kb7 5.Ke2 Kc7 6.Kf3 Kd7 7.Kg3 Ke7 8.Kh4 Kf6 >9.Kh5 Kf7 10.Kg5 Kg7 11.Kxf5 Kf7 12.Ke4 Kg6 13.Kd3 Kf5 14.Kc4 Kxf4 15.Kb5 Kg5 >16.Kc6 Kf5 > +- (5.59) Depth: 36 00:00:13 2299kN >1.Kb1 > +- (5.99) Depth: 37 00:00:18 2865kN >1.Kb1 Ka8 2.Kb2 Kb8 3.Kc2 Kc7 4.Kd3 Kb7 5.Ke2 Kc7 6.Kf3 Kd7 7.Kg3 Ke7 8.Kh4 Kf6 >9.Kh5 Kf7 10.Kg5 Kg7 11.Kxf5 Kf7 12.Ke4 > +- (9.39) Depth: 37 00:00:38 4209kN >1.Kb1 Ka8 2.Kb2 Kb8 3.Kc2 Kc7 4.Kd3 Kb7 5.Ke2 Kc7 6.Kf3 Kd7 7.Kg3 Ke7 8.Kh4 Kf6 >9.Kh5 Kf7 10.Kg5 Kg7 11.Kxf5 Kf7 12.Ke4 > +- (9.39) Depth: 37 00:00:43 5064kN >1.Kb1 > +- (9.79) Depth: 38 00:01:03 6547kN >1.Kb1 Ka8 2.Kb2 Kb7 3.Kc3 Kc7 4.Kd3 Kb7 5.Ke2 Kc7 6.Kf3 Kd7 7.Kg3 Ke7 8.Kh4 Kf6 >9.Kh5 Kf7 10.Kg5 Kg7 11.Kxf5 Kf7 12.Ke4 Kg7 13.Kd3 Kf6 14.Kc4 Kg6 15.Kb5 Kf5 >16.Kxa5 Ke4 > +- (9.98) Depth: 38 00:01:14 8585kN >1.Kb1 Ka8 2.Kb2 Kb7 3.Kc3 Kc7 4.Kd3 Kb7 5.Ke2 Kc7 6.Kf3 Kd7 7.Kg3 Ke7 8.Kh4 Kf6 >9.Kh5 Kf7 10.Kg5 Kg7 11.Kxf5 Kf7 12.Ke4 Kg7 13.Kd3 Kf6 14.Kc4 Kg6 15.Kb5 Kf5 >16.Kxa5 Ke4 > +- (9.98) Depth: 38 00:01:15 8808kN > >(Byrne, Secane, PA USA 20.06.2003)
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