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Subject: Re: Chesstiger have a problem with FINE 70 position !?

Author: Ulrich Tuerke

Date: 06:12:57 06/20/03

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On June 20, 2003 at 07:34:03, Uri Blass wrote:

>On June 20, 2003 at 07:29:35, Mike Byrne wrote:
>
>>On June 20, 2003 at 06:15:09, Joachim Rang wrote:
>>
>>>On June 20, 2003 at 05:05:24, Vincent Lejeune wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>I'm running a test with Chesstiger 15 and the Valentin Albillo test set (see
>>>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?301806) and what a surprise
>>>>Chesstiger have a problem with the first position the well known FINE 70 (Kb1!);
>>>>Crafty, Fritz, Hiarcs have no problem with this position; so why CT ? hashtable
>>>>weakness, pruning weakness or somehting else ? Christophe, an idea ?
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>I will publish the result for all positions later Celeron@875, 96 MB hash, 15
>>>>min/pos
>>>
>>>
>>>DeepSjeng has also Problems. At least in beta stage when I tested the program.
>>>Gian-Carlo replied to my message with the argument, that tuning an engine for
>>>this position makes it weaker in general pawn endgames. I'm sure the views
>>>differ on that position but maybe Theron agrees with Gian-Carlo that this
>>>specific position is an artificial one.
>>>
>>>regards Joachim
>>
>>this position is a question of search not tuning...
>
>I think that GCP talked about tuning the
>extension and pruning rules.
>
>I can imagine that a change in the pruning rules that is productive for other
>positions is not productive for this position.
>
>I do not believe that it is impossible to fix the problem in a productive way
>and I guess that the real reason is that in the same time of fixing the program
>it is possible to do bigger improvements.

I don't think that solving this position is a matter of pruning or extensions,
since Comet could solve it on a 16 MHz 80386 in a few seconds.
It's rather a test for hash replacement rules, i.e. handling situations where
the hash table is overflowing heavily which is of course the case here.

Uli

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>Uri
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>Uri



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