Author: Sune Larsson
Date: 08:59:47 06/20/03
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On June 20, 2003 at 10:28:18, steven blincoe wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>You do not understand.
>>>
>>>People do not buy chess engines to play against them.
>>>They have other reasons(for example watching the engines play against other
>>>engines).
>>>
>>>Uri
>>
>>
>> Reasons can differ I think. I buy chess engines mainly to play against them.
>> And use for analyses. One of my friends uses the engines for opening training -
>> i.e. he prepares an opening and plays 10 30 min games in this particular
>> opening. Then analyses the games of course.
>>
>> Sune
>
>playing against the computer seems to me to be the only interesting or valid
>reason to constantly upgrade
>
>i am not sure exactly the importance or even the interest in seeing one PC
>program play another?
>i am also not certain what we even learn from this?
>for me the importance of computer chess only has relevance as it relates to how
>it translates to play against humans
>
>i think the chess software companies would go out of business with my opinions
>whereas now they thrive because people will constantly upgrade just to see one
>program with version 8.432 play against another program with version 12.6654
>
>let us remember, Computer chess was orinially intended as an AI experiment to
>perhaps learn something about human intelligence
>the forefathers of computer chess(Shannon,Turing,Michie,etc)i think would be
>very amused at this rushing out to buy one program after the next to play them
>against each other
>
>how one program plays against another has no relevance or interest to me
>
>how they play against humans however is very interesting to me
>
>Steve
I share this view with you. Just had a look at the games in the Utzinger
tournament. These games are played 60 moves in 2 hours and with the newest
of the top commercials + Sjeng/Ruffian. In one of the games this position
happened:
[D]r2q1rk1/pb2npbp/1p4p1/3p4/2pP4/P1N1PQ2/1PBN1PPP/R4RK1 w - - 0 16
Here white has 2 breaks to play for - b3 and e4 - or combined. In the game
there followed 16.Rac1. Okey, but a few moves later 20.Rcb1 22.Rbc1 23.Rfe1
and 24.Rcd1. Here I just lost interest in this game.
The whole game below. It was played by 2 of the top commercials, so you can
exclude Sjeng/Ruffian. If this game is a normal example of top level computer
chess - then there is a long way to go...
[Event "RK 2003"]
[Site "Zurich"]
[White "NN1"]
[Black "NN2"]
[Result "0-1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "116"]
[EventDate "2003.??.??"]
1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 e6 3. c4 b6 4. Nc3 Bb7 5. a3 d5 6. Bg5 Be7 7. Bxf6 Bxf6 8.
cxd5 exd5 {both last book move} 9. e3 O-O 10. Bd3 c5 11. O-O c4 12. Bc2 Nc6 13.
Nd2 Ne7 14. Qh5 g6 15. Qf3 Bg7 16. Rac1 b5 17. Qf4 Qb6 18. Nf3 Rad8 19. h4 h5
20. Rb1 Bc8 21. Ne5 a6 22. Rbc1 Qd6 23. Rfe1 Be6 24. Rcd1 Qb8 25. Rd2 a5 26.
Ne2 b4 27. axb4 Qxb4 28. Red1 Rb8 29. Bb1 Rfd8 30. Nf3 Qd6 31. Ne5 Rb3 32. Rc1
Qb4 33. Nc3 a4 34. Kh2 a3 35. bxa3 Rxa3 36. Rdc2 Bf5 37. Ne2 Bxe5 38. dxe5 Rb3
39. e4 Bxe4 40. Rxc4 dxc4 41. Bxe4 c3 42. Ng3 Nd5 43. Qg5 Qe7 44. Ne2 Qxg5 45.
hxg5 Kg7 46. f3 Rb2 47. Nxc3 Nf4 48. Kg3 Ne6 49. f4 Rd4 50. Rf1 Rbb4 51. Rf3
Rxe4 52. Nxe4 Rxe4 53. Rf1 Nd4 54. Rh1 Kf8 55. Rf1 Ke7 56. Ra1 h4+ 57. Kg4 Re3
58. Ra7+ Kf8 0-1
Sune
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