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Subject: Re: question about Ed attack tables

Author: Ricardo Gibert

Date: 12:31:38 06/21/03

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On June 21, 2003 at 14:30:48, Hans van der Zijden wrote:

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>>>[D]2Brr1k1/5ppp/8/8/6B1/8/5PP1/5RK1 w - - 0 1
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>>>The fact that _this_ position can't be won does not make 2 bishops on the same
>>>color stronger than a rook.
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>>I didn't say they were. I was merely disagreeing that the rooks were stronger.
>>There's a difference.
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>>I'm sure you'll find this position more interesting:
>>[D]2qrr1k1/2p2ppp/1p6/p4B2/P5B1/1P6/2P2PP1/5RK1 w - -
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>Not really.
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>>The point is I think you will find that the 2 same color bishops are as tough as
>>nails and there really is little reason to think that a rook is stronger. The
>>extra pawn gives Black some advantage, but my guess it is not enough. It's clear
>>with equal pawns, it's an equal position.
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>I must admit I have overlooked the defensive strenght of the bishops. But that's
>just it, they only can defend. No attacking power. In the majority of the
>positions they will probably hold the draw. But I found a nice position where
>you would probably favor the rookside as well :).
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>[D]8/4rk2/8/8/1p6/1Pp2K2/B1P5/1B6 w - -
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>Hans

:) Okay, that was a convincing illustration of the impotence of the Bishops. Now
here is an illustration of the impotence of the Rook. This one I hope you will
agree is more instructive:

[D]8/1pBp4/1P1PpBp1/4P1P1/2r5/1k6/8/1K6 w - -

It seems Black's dream has come true and he has a free hand at mating the White
King. Unfortunately, K+R vs K has to resort to zugzwang to mate. Unfortunatel,
in the above position White can avoid zugzwang with the pendulum move Bc7-d8-c7,
etc. Sac'ing a Rook for B+P doesn't help, because he will free the other B.
Finally, Black can set a trap with: 1...Ka3!? 2.Ka1? Rb4! and Black will
continue with Rb2 followed by Kb3 then Rh2-h1 mate. Of course, 2.Bd8 instead is
a draw.



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