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Subject: Re: Komputer Korner refutes alternative point scoring systems

Author: Komputer Korner

Date: 19:43:35 10/22/98

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On October 22, 1998 at 03:49:12, blass uri wrote:

>
>On October 21, 1998 at 23:57:40, Komputer Korner wrote:
>
>>Presently there is a huge argument about alternative point scoring systems on
>>the RGCC. The one that generated the hotly debated proposal was 3 points for a
>>win and 1 point for a draw.  I mistakenly assumed that the proposal was for 1/2
>>point for a draw. My original post on RGCC is copied below. However even if you
>>substitute 1 point for the 1/2 point in the equations below, the advantage ratio
>>of white will still be larger than under the present scoring system. For proff
>>of that I repeat the equations below with the 1 point for a draw.
>>White expects (3*0.31) + 1*0.50)= 1.43 points. Black expects (3*0.19) +
>>(1*0.50)= 1.07 points. The white to black ratio becomes 1.336448 which is
>>between the new ratio below (which mistakenly assumed 1/2 point for a draw)  and
>>the old present rules ratio.
>
>The probabilties are not right
>I checked the ssdf games and I found something near 30% draws.
>I do not know about 50% draws in low levels and you said that the proposal was
>not about GM games
>
>
>>
>>
>>"It will only increase the advantage of playing white which is already
>>large enough.  White players enjoy a 56-44% advantage. Assuming 50% of
>>games are draws (the advantage of playing white will be even more
>>under your new system  if you assume less draws), this means that the
>>spread is 50% draws, 31% white wins and 19% black wins. If you give  3
>>points for a win and 0.5 points for a draw ,
>
>
>> white's expected score
>>will be now (3*0.31) + (0.5*0.50)  = 1.18 points every game.
>>Black players will now expect (3*0.19) + (0.5*.50) = 0.82 points every game.
>
>I do not agree because the players will play differently and the probabilities
>can change to 40% for white and 27% for black
>
>In this case white expected score:
>3*0.40+1*0.23=1.43
>black expected score
>3*0.27+1*0.23=1.04
>
>Uri


It doesn't matter what % draws there are as long as white's overall score is
greater than 50% and this is true for any ELOs above 1800. As long as white's
overall score is greater than 50% the equations hold for any draw % you want to
plug in. Your last comment still backs up the conclusion that white's expected
score is higher than black's. Therefore if one player gets a greater number of
whites in a swiss which is already the case, then any proposal to award wins by
a bonus over the present system of awarding 1 point for a win will skew the
white winning ratio higher. Indeed in your last calculations the figures are
wrong. They don't add up to 100%. The last term of each equation has to be 0.50
to represent the draw. Even so you still show 1.43/1.04 which is a higher ratio
than the present system.

--
Komputer Korner



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