Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 01:00:39 06/24/03
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On June 24, 2003 at 03:07:50, Stefan Pohl wrote:
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>>Danke für die Belehrungen. Ich wurde erst vorgestern durch mehrere EMails
>>aufmerksam auf die ganzen Vorgänge (die mich eigentlich Null interessieren!) und
>>was bei uns im Forum abgeht und wollte etwas von Dir dazu hören.
>>Ich verstehe Dich nicht, sorry, Du hast ein eigenes Forum und postests fast nur
>>bei uns zum zunehmenden Verdruss unserer Gäste. Es gibt keinen Gast über den
>>sich mehr Leser beschweren als über Dich, siehe oben.
>>
>>Am Ende bekommt jeder der es wagt mit Dir eine Diskussion zu führen eine
>>öffentliche Belehrung ("mach mal einen Lesekurs"), Du hast immer Recht und immer
>>das letzte Wort weil jeder irgendwann müde wird auf die sogen. "Dampfplauderei"
>>einzugehen (Ausdruck nicht von mir). Man kann auch einmal andere Meinungen
>>zulassen als die eigene ohne zu belehren, oder?
>>
>>Selbst an einem Tag wo Du euer Forum feierlich schließt postests Du bei uns
>>munter weiter statt dem selbst auferlegten Schweigetag zu respektieren?!!??
>>Ich bin wirklich etwas sprachlos und würde einfach empfehlen das Du Dich um Dein
>>FCP kümmerst und uns das CSS-Forum überläßt, wir kommen anders nicht wohl nicht
>>überein...
>>
>>Das muß doch möglich sein!? Ich bin solcher Themen wirklich müde und habe andere
>>Sorgen ...
>>
>>Gruß
>>Christian
>
>Hallo Christian!
>
>Ich bin bestimmt nicht immer einer Meinung mit Dir (besonders wenn es um die
>CSS/ChessBase-Problematik geht), aber diesem Posting kann ich nur 100%
>zustimmen. Frank Quisinskis Belehrungen und seine feste Überzeugung IMMER im
>Recht zu sein, sind wirklich auf Dauer enervierend. Allerdings finde ich eine
>dauerhafte Sperre im CSS-Forum doch etwas übertrieben.
>
>MfG - Stefan Pohl
Let me try to introduce a new view of things that happened here. And please
note, nobody has the truth alone, not even me, the former Pope. :)
We have a general misunderstanding. But let me begin with a simple fact. I
personally have no reason to defend FQ since he acted very bad in my regards in
the past. But I argue in favor of more humanity and if that helps FQ in the end
it is good so!
When I read some of FQ's messages here in CCC and also CSS/FCP it was very easy
to understand what the problem was. I leave aside all the legal problems for a
moment!
Please allow me the more psychological explanation because I hope that it will
show Christian, the CSS and other people, that often bad mistakes have no source
in a principally bad character.
First of all, FQ has a forum himself where he exerts a rigid system of
punishments for violations of the charta. But then at the same time FQ is the
one with the hobby to discuss all kind of cocktail party stuff which he would
certainly NOT allow in his own forum, unless he's the author himself. That is an
absolutely normal human truth. We never realise when we want to violate our own
rules because we have so much to say. Soon we lose contact to reality.
Now what were the events for FQ before he again went berserk? Simple. The shock,
we can call it trauma, of the death of Elvis. Beyond all the coolness of daily
work FQ must still stand under the impression of that eternal loss. FQ has a
typically split language that transports always several messages at the same
time. It is always with personally coloured tongue-in-cheek. Now in such a
situation of a great trauma, you cannot succeed in typical tongue-in-cheek.
I saw it when FQ informed the group here that on Monday he would buy himself a
new bathing trunk. At that moment I didn't know yet that Elvis was dead. But I
asked myself what must have happened that such a message could be sent by FQ.
Under what pressure he must stand that he cant control his thoughts? How distant
is he really at the moment when he pretends to talk about CC problems? Well, the
answer came later, when Eduard informed me that Elvis had died! That was a
terrible news even for me who never worked together with Elvis. It's a shock for
people who approach 40 or are above it. All kind of thoughts torture you. Is it
all worth what I do in the field if in the end I must die like Elvis? All alone
and to be found a couple of days later???
We must understand that the internet is NOT a 1 to 1 copy of real life. Internet
is often the field for people to recreate from deep sorrows! In a kind of as-if
feeling. Often deep archaic emotions can be worked out in the internet replacing
our very real troubles. So the internet points into a certain direction but what
happens in the net is not exactly what is important in real life. Know what I
mean?
Another aspect I very well know from own experience. In the internet you can
have debates, strong debates, long debates, that is all no problem. But from a
certain point on you are buried under the complexity of endless contributions to
the debate. You had to write hundreds of messages to clarify, but you can do
only ten. That alone is very frustrating. By force you become aggressive and
start to talk about your thoughts about the opponent instead of giving
arguments, what alone helps in the net debates. Your thoughts about the
personality of other people is no argument at all. At that moment you had to
take a break, but you can't because you are in a circle of activities. You cant
stop.
In that helpless situation you get the idea of legal operations that could make
your day like a hurricane. You threaten the other side. And then you sit in a
trap. The other side feels attacked and strikes back. They throw you out, they
ban you for life. That is the end of all talks.
You don't understand it. Because you always were the clever guy with tongue in
cheek. So how could that happen at all??
Well, I tried to describe certain consequences and possibilities of internet
"debates". In psychology we have several tools to break through such a manical
blinding. In the net the other side could stop us by simply telling jokes so
that we could wake up. But what if the other side always waited for that moment
of cool revenge?
I agree with Stefan Pohl that FQ was wrong, but I am also agreeing with him that
FQ should NOT be banned for a life since he is a valuable contrinuter in more
normal times...
I can only hope that some officials learned something new from my message here,
at least something in a different context, then I had reached very much.
Rolf
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