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Subject: Re: Rebel 10 anti-GM Yes, But not anti-1500 class C - USCF?

Author: Mark Young

Date: 21:27:40 10/22/98

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On October 23, 1998 at 00:14:15, Komputer Korner wrote:

>On October 22, 1998 at 23:38:10, Komputer Korner wrote:
>
>>On October 21, 1998 at 19:20:01, Mark Young wrote:
>>
>>>I played my first game Vs. Rebel 10 today. I was very sad to find out it could
>>>not win against my anti-computer play. So far:)
>>>
>>>Rebel 10 played on a P II 400
>>>Anti-GM set to smart.
>>>EOC set to strong.
>>>Level 30 sec./move
>>>Rebel 10 book.
>>>
>>>I used 16 min for the game, Rebel 10, 27 min.
>>>
>>>[Event "Mark vs Rebel 10"]
>>>[Site "Home"]
>>>[Date "1998.10.21"]
>>>[Round "1"]
>>>[White "Mark Young"]
>>>[Black "REBEL 10.0"]
>>>[Result "1/2-1/2"]
>>>[WhiteElo "1500"]
>>>[BlackElo "2350"]
>>>[ECO "A41"]
>>>
>>>1. d4 d6 2. c4 e5 3. e3 Nd7 4. Nc3 Ngf6 5. Nf3 Be7 6. Be2 O-O 7. O-O Re8
>>>8. Qc2 Bf8 9. dxe5 Nxe5 10. Rd1 Nxf3+ 11. Bxf3 Bg4 12. Bxg4 Nxg4 13. h3
>>>Ne5 14. b3 Be7 15. Nd5 Bh4 16. Bb2 c6 17. Nf4 Qe7 18. Qc3 a6 19. Nd3 Bf6
>>>20. Nxe5 Bxe5 21. Qc2 Rad8 22. Bxe5 dxe5 23. Rxd8 Rxd8 24. Rd1 Rxd1+ 25.
>>>Qxd1 f6 26. Qd3 g6 27. Kf1 e4 28. Qd4 c5 29. Qd5+ Kh8 30. Ke2 h5 31. f3
>>>f5 32. f4 h4 33. Kf2 Kg7 34. Ke2 b6 35. Kf2 Qf6 36. Qd7+ Kh6 37. Qd2 b5
>>>38. Ke2 Qa1 39. Kf2 b4 40. Ke2 a5 41. Kf2 Qf6 42. Ke2 g5 43. fxg5+ Kxg5
>>>44. Kf1 Kh6 45. Kf2 Kg7 46. Qd7+ Kg6 47. Qd2 Kh6 48. Kg1 Qa1+ 49. Kh2 Qe5+
>>>50. Kg1 Qg3 51. Qf2 Kg5 52. Qxg3+ hxg3 53. Kf1 Kg6 54. Ke2 Kh5 55. Kd2
>>>Kg5 56. Ke2 Kg6 57. Kd2 Kh5 58. Ke2 Kg5 59. Kd2 Kh5 60. Ke2 Kg5 61. Kd2
>>>Kh5 1/2-1/2
>>
>>There is nothing wrong in getting a draw with black. I would regard the fact
>>that you did not win with white as the failing. Where do get off criticizing a
>>program that does not win against you as black when you make no attempt to win
>>as white? Even if you would draw Kasparov with a game like that, I would
>>consider it no achievement. Give us a game where you win against Rebel 10 or at
>>least draw with black.
>>--
>>Komputer Korner
>
>Sorry for the preceding message. I am having a bad day. I just get angry at
>players trying to play anti computer chess when they should be trying to play
>their normal games. Computer chess is not for beating chess computer engines. It
>is to help you play better chess and to give you enjoyment. However you are
>misreading the meaning of anti-GM. Anti GM is about the engine selecting moves
>that thwart the positional play of a very very strong player. It is not about
>lessening the positional play of the engine to do this. Sometimes there just
>aren't any ways to liven the position and thus a draw is the logical outcome. It
>is yet to be proven whether ANTI-GM is hype or not but your one game doesn't
>prove anything. By the way I once refused a repetition of position as white
>against a player who was 700 points stronger than I was. I could have forced a
>draw in an early middlegame position. I eventually lost the game. My reasoning
>was that because I was white it was my duty to win. Chess players often get into
>the habit of thinking that they have no chance against a much superior opponent.
>Well he is only one opponent. Fight to the end and fear no man or machine. If
>you don't have that attitude then you have already lost.
>--
>komputer Korner

No problem. I always put a new program thur its paces when I test it.
Anti-computer play is something computer programs have to face. Even when
playing titled players. So I test using it. I don't attack dog any program. And
I did not think I did so here.



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