Author: Thorsten Czub
Date: 12:44:06 06/24/03
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On June 24, 2003 at 14:06:17, Volker Pittlik wrote: >The major problem in message boards of any kind (web forums, usenet, >mailinglists) is not that some of them are moderated or that some messages are >deleted or not published. The major problem is a group of maybe a dozen of >selfcentered egomaniacs who disturb and destroy every normal communication. you call it normal communication when they delete any posting they don't like in the CSS forum ? So THIS is a "normal communication". You sit with your wife in the living room. Your kids are surround you. And when your wife says something you don't like she has to leave the room, or you make her SHUT her mouth ?? And this is NORMAL ? The problem is that some people like to lie about things. and that they don't accept when you call a lie a lie. they want nobody to speak about this instead. >All of them are so convinced from their own point of view that they are >absolutely unable to tolerate any other opinion. this is not true. you can have many opinions. in no other forum so much is deleted like in the CSS forum. >And those who have different >opinions are treated by them as enemies. i don't think this is true. >That is what they all have in common, >the form how they express it is different. There are: >- The testers who found a bug in a chess program and post it to a forum. The >problem occurs when they do it (same bug) again and again and again and again >and again and again and again... so often until they get banned. After that they >complain about the violation of human rights. if somebody finds a bug in a software, i would be happy about it and not delete this post. this gives the chance to make the product better. >- Those who know *exactly* the one and only method how to test a program (the >way they do it). Everyone who test in a different way is declared as to stupid >to get things correctly. Thats a discussion that continues over years. you can only have subjective favourites how to test. i doubt that there is one RIGHT way. but it should be allowed to discuss about the methods. >- Hobby brain scientists, wannabe psychologist and backyard philosophers who get >vulgar if you disagree with them. you now talk about yourself and your asshole quotation volker ? >- Pricesses who become "provoked" by you if they don't like your opinion. again yourself (when we made the tournament in berlin ?) or what was the reason you did not talk anymore ? >- Conspiracy theorist of all kind who found out that <insert-company-here> is >going to dominate the entire world or that <insert-someone-you-don't-like> is >supporting <insert-crime-here>. :-)) and ? is chessbase dominating computerchess ? And ? does it make you happier ? >- Propagandists who found out that (mark your choice) > > [ ] <insert-something here> variant of chess > [ ] <insert-something here> forum, website, ... > [ ] <someone they (don't) like> you want to forbid all those peoples post, or what ? > [ ] is the solution of all problems of the entire world > [ ] is a major pain in the ass :-)) >and share their recovery with us in every of their postings. :-))) >- Not to forget those who are simply crazy and threat others with (box) fights >or going so far in their conspiracy bullshit that their forum get closed by >their provider and they still don't recognize that they've spead antisemitic >crap. :-))) depends on what you call antisemitic. >I read the CSS forum daily and what I'm really wondering is: why didn't I ever >notice the "censorship" over there? 1. i do not wonder that you don't notice censorship. 2. i do not read all threads and posts in CSS too. And i often do not see when something is deleted. but - when i see it: it's most often always the same story: xyz said something against chessbase or CSS and therefore his statement is deleted. you don't see this. aha. maybe you are blind ? maybe you are shallow ? maybe you don't read those forums. i do e.g. often see frank gets deleted. you don't notice that ? strange. >And what does censorship mean? Basically it >is a violation of the human right to express the disagreement of individuals >with the leaders of the state they're living in. Freedom of speach is a right of >citizens against their state, not against individuals or companies. It does not >mean someone is allowed to be a guest in my house and call me an asshole. the many many people who have been deleted in CSS forum did not say that. they critisized a product, a company, a method or a style, ... > It >also does not mean an employee is allowed to call the products of his employer >pieces of shit. Of course everyone is allowed to think that or to say that, but >if they do it in my house or at their company they have to expect legally >consequences. :-)) you sound very prussian again here. you mean frank is an employee and css is the employer ?? and he is not allowed to write against his boss ? >Someone has been banned at the CSS Forum. That one wrote *in this forum* that >CSS is supporting receiving of stolen goods. If you where them what would you >do? > >Regards > >Volker Pittlik If i would be them, i would behave fair and do not support receiving of stolen goods :-))
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