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Subject: Re: Crafty SPEC

Author: Tom Kerrigan

Date: 15:21:19 06/24/03

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On June 24, 2003 at 17:39:44, Ryan B. wrote:

>On June 24, 2003 at 13:47:24, Tom Kerrigan wrote:
>
>>On June 24, 2003 at 09:33:02, Lieven Clarisse wrote:
>>
>>>Apple and IBM team up to produce the world's most advanced processor.
>>>
>>>http://www.apple.com/g5/
>>>
>>>
>>>Forged from a long-standing partnership between two companies committed to
>>>innovation, the G5 drives the largest performance gain in the history of the
>>>PowerPC. The 64-bit G5 speeds up to 2GHz and can address 8GB main memory.
>>>See the benchmarks on the above link.
>>
>>The world's most advanced processor? *sigh* According to what metric?
>>
>>Anyway, Apple screwed up with SPEC but IBM didn't. Crafty should perform just as
>>well on a 970 as on a POWER4, and scale linearly with clock speed, so we can
>>extrapolate how well the new Macs will perform assuming good compilers:
>>
>>2GHz PPC 970 = 3.45GHz Pentium 4 = 1.76GHz Athlon XP = 1.89GHz Opteron
>>
>>So, really, only the P4 is in trouble, except this doesn't take hyperthreading
>>into account, or the fact that the "Pentium 5" will be out shortly after these
>>new Macs.
>>
>>There's some compiler weirdness that makes the AXP look faster than the Opteron
>>but ballpark-wise, AMD is obviously doing okay vs. PPC.
>>
>>-Tom
>
>Different cpus are better with different tasks.  I haven?t seen any benchmarks
>that consider altivec of which is 4 to 7 times faster in some cases (not a chess
>engine).  Saying that a 2GHz PPC 970 = 3.45GHz Pentium 4 = 1.76GHz Athlon XP =
>1.89GHz Opteron is far too general.  For example my Duron 800 PC runs chess
>programs faster than my G4 450 but my G4 450 renders images in povray faster
>than the Duron.  It?s just using different tools for different jobs.
>
>Ryan

Yes, I was speaking in terms of chess/Crafty. Hence the title of the post and
the fact that I was extrapolating from Crafty SPEC #s.

-Tom



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