Author: Rolf Tueschen
Date: 02:39:01 06/25/03
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On June 25, 2003 at 04:54:26, Harald Faber wrote: >On June 25, 2003 at 03:50:48, Rolf Tueschen wrote: > >>I am impressed by that article. Thanks, Harald! Still something to consider. >>You've understood that CSS people are inconsistent, faking supporting >>personalities, discriminating useful critics, deleting intriguing messages where >>weaknesses of products are shown - - and many more evil behaviour - BUT, as a >>next step, you now must realise that this behaviour is a mirror of the CSS >>staff's smartness or the lack of. What you must understand is that the behaviour >>as such in defense of a company (ChessBase) or its products or of a newsgroup - >>is a universally used behaviour. And this is more so when at the base many >>people want to feed their families with the company's income. I assure you that >>you would behave the same. More, I am not sure if you would do your job with >>such smartness and irony as Fred Friedel. But look, he must live with the people >>of the staff. He cannot change the team on a weekly base. Since you have a >>webpage on your own and since you've done a lot of testings - you know that over >>half of the time it is boring to the bones. Now to fulfill your job under such >>boring conditions -- you need people with the appropriate characters. So, under >>that aspect certain figures, which look so odd and boring, are exactly the right >>ones for such a job. In short, you cannot lead such a company or journal with >>people who change their opinions on a daily base or who have a temper like a >>quicksilver circus, no, you need someone like DS. >>Someone, yes, I agree with you, who is only satisfied when he finally knows your >>identity. What do you think how much fun I had when I discussed with him as >>"Sonja" and he was totally confused because I knew so much, he couldn't find a >>cupboard to fill me in. Know what I mean? If you are smart, you dont have to >>fear all kind of ghosts and spooky conspirators. But if you have to lead an >>institution like the CSS or a company like ChessBase, you forcedly need also >>people like DS! So the smart Friedel needs the hard working DS. Friedel can >>enjoy freedom of speech but DS must delete messages to protect the institution. >>This is reality, Harald! And it's not inconsistent. The whole policy is working >>like this. You must have different characters for different tasks. Of course the >>absolute hype is when a single man invents the necessary roles and initiates a >>whole empire of contradicting streamings. That is what we can observe in the >>internet every day. Just in your neighborhood you have a great talent for such >>games... :) >> >>What I wanted to say is that you should reconsider your premature verdict and >>decision. I think you should well cooperate in CSS forum with your usual stuff >>inspite your new knowledge how reality functions. I assure you that you would do >>the same if you had to secure such an "empire". So dont be too harsh with Helmut >>Conrady. He's just making his first steps like you yourself. >> >>Rolf > > >Thanks for your kind words, Rolf. >Some final words: > >- Helmut is only one executive, behind is DS as you already stated. So I am not >too much disappointed. Helmut might suffer from a restricted view. > >- I should cooperate with CSS board again in spite of all the injustice I know >of? You must be joking. Even I have something called pride and a sense for >justice. As I already wrote, going there again means accepting their behaviour. >That is what I cannot do with a clear conscience. Not now. Maybe later when >staff and censorship and behaviour changes. > >- Besides that there is not much I could or want to write there. 95-99% of the >postings are with no significant content one reminds one week later. The past >has shown that the more sophisticated a posting is the less answers you get. The >more you write about chess, games, analyzing games with engines etc. the less >answers. So what shall I do there? Post my results? In the meantime I don't >think I need to beg for being allowed again to post there, my contribution would >only be my test results. I don't think that many readers don't get the >information when I do not post in CSS board. > >- Even if having to live from this business, a proper and appropriate >acquaintance is still possible. > >- In the moment CSS is in a dilemma. The best thing they could do is to admit >that they might have deleted/censored a bit too sharp and apologize. But in >their eyes this is a sign for weakness and mistakes. Impossible for them to >show. They are strong and don't make any mistakes. That is the dilemma. Another >one is their relation to Chessbase and Steinwender shop. Of course they will not >confirm those relations. But denying is lying so they keep their mouth shut. But >I think the situation is clear now and I am sure many readers at least >reconsider what is/was going on in CSS board. Personally that is all I wanted to >achieve. No personal insults, only inform the CSS board members/readers what >they might have missed due to very fast deletions by CSS board staff. > >- So now for me this discussion is finished, no need to say more, eveything is >said IMO. > >Have a nice day, and I hope that at least ONE guy beside me will take a look at >my Junior 8 test games with tournament time control and comment one or more of >them in a board. To be honest I don't think this will happen, 99.9% only consume >results. Thanks for your feedback. In return let me also make you a hopefully good present at the end of the debate. I think you suffer of the same disturbing fact that the more class you have in your contributions the less these are answered. The most stupid messaged get the highest feedback while your in detail work gets none. You are in a good neighbourhood however. Years ago Bruce Moreland suffered from the same syndrome. Now, the answer is clear: the better you write the less people can follow you. If you do a brilliant job you become a bit lonely! That is reality and it always will be. Let me answer your message without reacting on the details, because they are all well argued. But what I miss is the following: Harald, if you want to continue in that field, you have to do as follows. Continue your good work. People will notice you. They wont react but they respect you as a thorough worker. But you have to do a second thing. You must achieve a stand where you watch yourself on a more as-if base. You know, as if it makes fun INSPITE the few reactions. Or perhaps even none at all. You must find the motivation for such a hobby in yourself. And you continue no matter what other people do or say. Of course always watching what is going on. But your fun MUST not depend on other people's reactions. If you cannot achieve such a stand then you should quit the field and search for something else. You have no other choice! You cant lower your level to get more responses. And you get few responses on your actual level. So you must do the job for itself, because it makes so much fun to make a good job. I promise you that other people will keep an eye on you. Sooner or later you will have the chance to write in CSS yourself. Look at Helmut. What he writes you could also do. You are on a very promising road. Friedel is always searching for people who can write factual articles. Perhaps a final hint for your chess comments. I read some of them and I have almost the same strength you have. I must ask you if you really believe that people start debating with you about such opinions or analyses? Didn't you know that people always look at titles and numbers of Elo? You can well make your analyses but you cannot expect any feedback. You know, chessplayers have anxiety to blame themselves. And a title holder wont talk to you unless you have some standing. So, you have no other choice: make your analyses of computerchess games as lively as you can, just to satisfy your own mind and sharpen your thoughts and forget about the other people. But you can be sure that many people will silently follow what Harald Faber is doing now. At least the late Elvis always was on your page as I know. And so many others do. Simply take this trivial stuff from an older chess fan. Harald, if you wait for satisfaction on a regular base dont seek it in the community of computerchess! Do your fine hobby but seek the other things in your near surrounding. With such a style you will by force be recognized one day because sophistication comes from a sort of distant position. Just by good work. And for all continue to be as open as possible, like you always were. Although you will discover many weaknesses in your past contributions. Doesn't matter. In the end you will also see that you are NOT depending on how the CSS team is handling censorship. You must not spoil your hobby with such topics. That is what you will discover very soon. At least I hope so. Till then, all the best and have fun! Rolf
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