Author: blass uri
Date: 03:35:27 10/23/98
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On October 22, 1998 at 17:31:50, Alessio Iacovoni wrote: >On October 22, 1998 at 14:35:34, blass uri wrote: > >> >>On October 22, 1998 at 14:15:48, Alessio Iacovoni wrote: >> >>>On October 22, 1998 at 11:21:49, blass uri wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>On October 22, 1998 at 10:44:08, Larry Field wrote: >>>> >>>>>I'm looking for a chess program and have seen good reviews of both Fritz 5 and >>>>>Junior 5. However I see that Junior 5 is a 32-bit version of the Fritz 5 >>>>>"interface" and doesn't include some of the Fritz features (endgame and voice). >>>>>Can someone explain how these two programs work together or separately for me? >>>>> >>>>>Also, can Junior be played with the voice and endgame features? Is it >>>>>necessary, for any reason, to own both Junior 5 and Fritz 5? >>>> >>>>Junior5 and Fritz5 are different programs.and do not play the same moves. >>>>If you want to analyse positions Fritz5 will give you sometimes different output >>>>from fritz5. >>>> >>>>Uri >>>> >>>>> >>>>>Thanks, >>>>>Larry Field >>> >>>Junior 5 at the moment has the most advanced and bug-free interface. It includes >>>Junior 5 and Crafty (two fast searchers) and optionally Fritz 5 or Hiarcs. It is >>>32 bit.. fast and will host also future 32 bit engines. As to the engines.. all >>>fast searchers are basically the same... Junior, Fritz (or even Crafty) are not >>>that different... so I'd suggest to go for the most advanced interface (at the >>>moment Junior 5). In the future you can still add Hiarcs, which is quite >>>different, has a very unique style of play and is pleasant to play with. >> >>I do not think that all the fast searchers are similiar. >> >>If Junior is more similiar to Fritz than to Hiarcs than it is easy to prove it. >> >>We can find how many times Junior5 suggest a different move from hiarcs6 and how >>many times Junior5 suggest a different move from Fritz5. >> >>It is interesting to do a list of distances between programs (the % of times >>they suggest different moves). >> >>If I have time I will do it for Fritz and Junior. >> >>Uri > >That's a great idea Uri! I'm sure it'll turn out that i'm right and you're >wrong. I did it for the game young-Rebel and I found that in most of the cases Junior5 and fritz5 play different moves(at least this is the case for the first 40 moves. I found 43 cases out of 73 when the engines suggest different moves. (I used the blunder check only with Threshold=0 for both sides). I gave Fritz5 30 seconds per move and I gave ny beta version(16 bit) of Junior5 36 seconds per move because it is slower than the 32 bit by 20% Here are some moves from this game with the ideas of fritz5 and Junior5 (They did not check moves 1-2,5 and the third move of white because it was part of Junior's book) 1.d4 d6 2.c4 e5 3.e3 Nd7(Junior5 3...exd4 0.12/12 Fritz5 3...Nf6 0.09/10) 4.Nc3(Junior5 4.Nc3 0.28/13 Fritz5 4.Nc3 0.16/10) 4...Ngf6 (Junior5 4...c6 0.26/13 Fritz5 4...f5 0.16/10) 5.Nf3 Be7 6.Be2(Junior5 6.Bd3 0.31/13 Fritz5 6.Bd3 0.13/12) 6...0-0(Junior5 6...0-0 0.21/13, Fritz5 6...exd4 0.19/11) 7.0-0(Junior5 7.0-0 0.19/14, Fritz5 7.e4 0.25/10) 7...Re8(Junior5 7...c6 0.21/14 Fritz5 7...exd4 0.22/11) 8.Qc2(Junior5 8.Bd2 0.26/14 Fritz5 8.d5 0.19/12) 8...Bf8(Junior5 8...c6 0.20/14 Fritz5 8...exd4 0.22/10) Uri
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