Author: Marc van Hal
Date: 18:36:28 06/25/03
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On June 24, 2003 at 13:54:39, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >On June 24, 2003 at 12:36:23, Thorsten Czub wrote: > >>On June 24, 2003 at 11:23:32, Harald Faber wrote: >> >>>Fortunately I see that more and more former and frequent poster of your board >>>see what is going on in CSS board and question the censor methods. >> >>I think the best joke of the CSS fans is that they believe WE would stop them >>from doing their hobby. When it is in fact vice versa. We are the hobbyists. >>They are the people who make money out of computerchess, and the problem is that >>we and our freedom of speech stop them from doing their lies and misinformation, >>we stop them from doing their business as usual. >>That is he reason all this censorship and deleting of posting happens. >>They have to delete those postings that would irritate their business projects. >> >>e.g. when a new chessbase program is coming out they don't like that users talk >>about bugs and problems and post weak playing results. they do not delete all >>the positive posts of course. >> >>its all about making money. >> >>and then those people claim: we are the computerchess hobbyists. >> >>people like steinwender, weiner, friedel, ... HOBBYISTS ??? >> >>which hobby ? making money out of computerchess ??? >> >>this is no hobby. this is business. and that is why we have all the arguments. >>thy don't like us because they cannot make their deals and business in the way >>they want it to do. >> >>they want and need the complete control over the market. that is why they >>are against freeware and amateur programs. or against arena and other projects. >> >>they want to control the media. they want to control the people and the >>information that is posted. >> >>they have their "friends". namely people on their payroll who have the job to >>spread the whole day misinformation about the products. >> >>IMO we don't have to give a certain name to show how such a paid person works. >>how he writes his "objective" articels and brings them into the media. >> >>it's about money. and anybody who wants to doo computerchess as a hobby is an >>enemy for them. >> >>and now they turn it arround and say: we are against computerchess. >> >>no - we do computerchess as a hobby. not them. >> >>but let them lie about this. i don't care. >> >>all those payroll slaves, they are IMO unimportant. >>let them lie. > > >Look, you do as if business as such were a bad thing. The few people who work in >that business to feed their families, are they all corrupt? You do as if only >those who earn no money are sober guys. We discuss here the lack of respect for >human decency in CSS forum, but you show no respect at all for the decency of >the CSS people! How can that be logical, Thorsten? Of course they have faults, >like all of us, but you cannot compare them to devils. I am always astonished >how you counter-act against your own high moral. By discriminating them so that >nothing human rests you betray your own person. How could we take you for >serious? And you always speak for a foggy majority and "we". As if YOU could >represent a group of people here where we are all individual fighters. > >Look, even Ed, surely a friend of yours, explained to me the technique of >manipulating such a forum. Ed made clear that this is the most normal thing in >the world that CSS or ChessBase try to "push" and support their products, but >you do as if they were crazy devils who were criminals in doing their JOB! That >is not sober argumentation! > >Please give your hard facts from the past, but let us think about the >consequences ourselves. It's a bit too much leadership if you try to dominate >what people should think or in fact do think. As if you were the best person to >do that job for everybody. I don't think that this is a good strategy, Thorsten. >:) > > >Rolf I surely can compare them to devils I have all the rights to do so. The company's and GM's made millions of dollars in which they used my analyses and Ideas (Ok I must admit that Gary has tried to do something back but this turned out in a drama because of a hard disk crash.) His play against The Police might have been for me too. Because I did listen to them when I made Kasparov versus world. But I never ever did get a small thank you from any of them. with words. Gm's only get products for free When they have contributed only a small part. But then they act like their nose bleed When they have to pay a dime or two they run like hell.) The American way for sure didn't work for me. That in a deeper sense is not only related to the company' s but also to the people who come here. Nobody ever mentioned yeah Marc good work. With one exception Sune who said one analyze was helpfull. The only things I ever had to do is proof over and over again what I did And still then people act like they missed it. And later on show my analyzes and act like it's their brainwork. I always have to fight for myself Nobody ever backed me up! There fore I even have doubts on many people they actualy like chess. Intresting is I trew away much respect because I gave things away for free think about that! What about amateur programs? When I posted my anelyzes I did it for the love I have for the game. But it brought me nothing but grief. Though silence is agreement. Besides the pleasure of finding and refinding them. It would be nice to see someone who would help me out now and then. And believe me evertime when I write a mesage like this I feel miserable. Talking about MenchWurde. These people might act friendly to their families and friends but this demonic behaviour makes them devils The Devil is a friendly guy too as long if you obey him! I can play friends with the devil too that might be my strenght. Something you might dislike about me is that I say what I think and don't turn circles around it. Question is this a bad or good thing? Marc
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