Author: Kurt Utzinger
Date: 03:58:47 06/28/03
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On June 28, 2003 at 06:31:25, enrico carrisco wrote:
>On June 28, 2003 at 06:11:08, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>
>>On June 28, 2003 at 05:51:08, Helmut Conrady wrote:
>>
>>>On June 28, 2003 at 05:40:08, George Tsavdaris wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 28, 2003 at 04:41:02, Harald Faber wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Score TK Hi Ch Fr Sh Ru De Ju
>>>>>>>--------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> 1: TK 3.23 SKR 10.0 / 14 XX 10 =1 1= == == 11 11
>>>>>>> 2: Hiarcs 8 8.0 / 14 01 XX == =1 11 0= == ==
>>>>>>> 3: Chess Tiger 15 7.5 / 14 =0 == XX =0 11 =1 0= 1=
>>>>>>> 4: Fritz 8 7.5 / 14 0= =0 =1 XX 00 =1 =1 11
>>>>>>> 5: Shredder 7.04 7.0 / 14 == 00 00 11 XX =1 1= 01
>>>>>>> 6: Ruffian 1.0.5 6.5 / 14 == 1= =0 =0 =0 XX 1= 01
>>>>>>> 7: Deep Sjeng 1.5 5.5 / 14 00 == 1= =0 0= 0= XX 1=
>>>>>>> 8: Junior 8 4.0 / 14 00 == 0= 00 10 10 0= XX
>>>>>>>--------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>56 games: +20 =24 -12
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What is going on with Junior 8 ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Look at the testing conditions and find the answer yourself.
>>>>
>>>> I don't really think there is anything strange with time controls,
>>>>hash tables,hardware or anything else, so what do you think it's
>>>>wrong with test conditions? Perhaps Junior don't feel confortable
>>>>playing in Germany?
>>>> Anyway, maybe the "problem" for the bad performance of Junior 8
>>>>is the remis book. It's known that in a tournament Junior will propably
>>>>have the least draws of all, so playing with a book which is made from
>>>>drawn positions from GM's, lead Junior to play from "almost drawn"
>>>>positions for a win.
>>>
>>>Shouldn t any book line end in a equal position? :)
>>>
>>>Remis.book.ctg contents some very very sharp positions (e.g. in the King´s
>>>Gambit), too.
>>>
>>>Helmut
>>
>>
>> Hi Helmut
>> As mentioned on an earlier occasion, we have cancelled
>> the King's Gambit from the book remis.ctg but it might
>> indeed be that this book does not at all suit to the
>> playing style of Junior8. We shall see after 70 rounds.
>> Kurt
>
>Even so, the point of the tests is to establish engine strength and keep all
>other variables constant, correct?
>
>I just can't validate the argument that engine X is unfairly suffering from a
>standard opening book under a test such as this (aimed at engine comparison
>only, not engine + its own opening book + gui (where applicable.)
>
>Especially with a book like remis.ctg. Any engine that suffers from this book
>(unduly) is not very well rounded.
>
>-elc.
Hi Enrico
We also can't find an argument why engine X should unfairly
suffer from the remis.ctg. Maybe you have found the point in
supposing that Junior8 is perhaps not very well rounded. In the
running game vs Fritz8008 it already looks bad for Junior8!
Kurt
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