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Subject: Re: a question for you Vincent

Author: Vincent Diepeveen

Date: 16:33:07 06/30/03

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On June 30, 2003 at 16:07:52, Michael P. Nance Sr. wrote:

>On June 30, 2003 at 14:52:07, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On June 30, 2003 at 14:42:36, Mr j smith wrote:
>>
>>>On June 30, 2003 at 14:06:43, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 30, 2003 at 12:14:35, Sean Mintz wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I originally used the Tyan Tiger MP. It doesnt have video, networking, sound, or
>>>>>anything like that which is what I wanted. It was a fast board, completely
>>>>>stable, and I used it for almost 2 years. It got destroyed during an electrical
>>>>>storm, though. I replaced it with a Tyan Tiger MPX which was a later revision
>>>>
>>>>electrical storm?
>>>>
>>>>What do you mean?
>>>>
>>>>I have 150000 volts above my head. If that ain't generating a big enough EMF,
>>>>then the only thing that i can imagine at the moment generating a bigger EMF
>>>>field is a H-bomb in the atmosphere.
>>>>
>>>>Of course you need 3 wires to the machine. 2 power wires and 1 earth, otherwise
>>>>nowadays todays computers destroy themselves ;)
>>>>
>>>>>that also included networking capabilities. Better performance, still completely
>>>>>stable, but also can be overclocked. I have my dual 1.2 ghz athlon mp's (the
>>>>>originals) at 9x150 (1350 mhz).
>>>>>
>>>>>These boards have been great to me and if they sound like what you're looking
>>>>>for then I would definately suggest them.
>>>>
>>>>i personally find all the dual K7 motherboards suck ass. Most boards the com
>>>>ports do not work. good example is the Tyan stuff. only bios 2.07 the both com
>>>>ports worked. the newer ones it doesn't.
>>>>
>>>>for an auto232 player pretty critical.
>>>>
>>>>currently i have a MPX2 motherboard. it is the best board i had so far, but keep
>>>>in mind that this board is discontinued.
>>>>
>>>>dual opteron is what rocks now.
>>>
>>>
>>>Do you know how far the dual opteron motherboards can be overclocked?  By that I
>>>mean the FSB.
>>>
>>>Thanks in advanced.
>>
>>I know that my MPX motherboard doesn't overclock at all, unless i buy all kind
>>of stuff to cool all chipsets and that i kick out all USB devices and such.
>>
>>overclocking duals or quads is a very BAD idea.
>>
>>if i put FSB from 133Mhz to 134Mhz it already gets hung here after a while.
>>i guess it is the usb optical mouse that causes.
>>
>>I have as heatsinks: swiftech 462 and on the other i have a thermalright SLK800
>>that latter heatsink sucks ass and the first one i love but at the second socket
>>it didn't fit, the reason i use such heatsinks is because i want a silent pc. i
>>don't want a delta airlines machine like my old dual K7 is.
>>
>>It produces more noise than a delta airlines jumbojet. Or in fact exactly that.
>>it has delta fans.
>>
>>Right now i regrettably need 1 delta fan to blow air onto the slk800. I have
>>some slower running fan here but then the processor gets too hot when diep is
>>running.
>>
>>I bet opteron is a server processor where you should not toy with at all
>>considering that it burns 80+ watt.
>>
>>People overclocking duals take a big risk.
>>
>>What i do remember is that in past i had overclocked PII300s to 450Mhz. After a
>>few months they one by one collapsed.
>>
>>In general i do not remember anything that ran dual that overclocked well in a
>>very stable way for many years.
>>
>>I remember diep ran at the icc shortly at a dual 550Mhz celeron. i know another
>>10 guys who had dual celerons. they all broke within 2 years.
>>
>>overclocking is a bad habit, but i can't deny that i sometimes try it.
>
>Sir ,I am constanley looking for the fastest and best Computer to run My Chess
>Programs on. I'm on My 6th singal Processor in as many Years. I have decided to
>go dual and almost bought a dual AMD 2800 MP's. I heard about and read all the
>articles about the Opteron and decided to go that way. I also considered buying
>some overclocked chips but My gut feeling told Me to hold off. Other creditable
>sources told Me the same thing You just did,about the reliablity issue and for
>how long. I will probualy purchase a dual Opteron 2Ghz when Thier finally
>released. Thanks for Your comments,You probualy save Me from making a big
>mistake with overclocked chips. By the way ,do You know of other Computer
>Venders that would have state-of-the art Products/cutting edge technology
>besides Monarch.com? >>>>Mike

the problem with overclocking is that there is a few idiots reporting they can
without problems overclock and the people who find out it doesn't work for them
they do not post it.

for the average person: DO NOT OVERCLOCK.

Do not overclock a dual at all. If you want to try, then please remember whether
the time and material investment needed to overlock is worth the extra price and
effort.

Whereas a nonoverclocked cpu is going to run perfectly. that's why i bought
mp2600s (mp2800s were not there yet).

dual opteron is the fastest thing around. the good thing about buying such a
system now is that it is possible to later upgrade. i doubt k7-mp will be
possible to upgrade.

installing a new OS that is 64 bits to the dual opteron next year will be a
peanut. pretty hard at a dual K7 though :)




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