Author: Aaron Gordon
Date: 21:46:34 06/30/03
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On June 30, 2003 at 19:33:07, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On June 30, 2003 at 16:07:52, Michael P. Nance Sr. wrote: > >>On June 30, 2003 at 14:52:07, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> >>>On June 30, 2003 at 14:42:36, Mr j smith wrote: >>> >>>>On June 30, 2003 at 14:06:43, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>> >>>>>On June 30, 2003 at 12:14:35, Sean Mintz wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>I originally used the Tyan Tiger MP. It doesnt have video, networking, sound, or >>>>>>anything like that which is what I wanted. It was a fast board, completely >>>>>>stable, and I used it for almost 2 years. It got destroyed during an electrical >>>>>>storm, though. I replaced it with a Tyan Tiger MPX which was a later revision >>>>> >>>>>electrical storm? >>>>> >>>>>What do you mean? >>>>> >>>>>I have 150000 volts above my head. If that ain't generating a big enough EMF, >>>>>then the only thing that i can imagine at the moment generating a bigger EMF >>>>>field is a H-bomb in the atmosphere. >>>>> >>>>>Of course you need 3 wires to the machine. 2 power wires and 1 earth, otherwise >>>>>nowadays todays computers destroy themselves ;) >>>>> >>>>>>that also included networking capabilities. Better performance, still completely >>>>>>stable, but also can be overclocked. I have my dual 1.2 ghz athlon mp's (the >>>>>>originals) at 9x150 (1350 mhz). >>>>>> >>>>>>These boards have been great to me and if they sound like what you're looking >>>>>>for then I would definately suggest them. >>>>> >>>>>i personally find all the dual K7 motherboards suck ass. Most boards the com >>>>>ports do not work. good example is the Tyan stuff. only bios 2.07 the both com >>>>>ports worked. the newer ones it doesn't. >>>>> >>>>>for an auto232 player pretty critical. >>>>> >>>>>currently i have a MPX2 motherboard. it is the best board i had so far, but keep >>>>>in mind that this board is discontinued. >>>>> >>>>>dual opteron is what rocks now. >>>> >>>> >>>>Do you know how far the dual opteron motherboards can be overclocked? By that I >>>>mean the FSB. >>>> >>>>Thanks in advanced. >>> >>>I know that my MPX motherboard doesn't overclock at all, unless i buy all kind >>>of stuff to cool all chipsets and that i kick out all USB devices and such. >>> >>>overclocking duals or quads is a very BAD idea. >>> >>>if i put FSB from 133Mhz to 134Mhz it already gets hung here after a while. >>>i guess it is the usb optical mouse that causes. >>> >>>I have as heatsinks: swiftech 462 and on the other i have a thermalright SLK800 >>>that latter heatsink sucks ass and the first one i love but at the second socket >>>it didn't fit, the reason i use such heatsinks is because i want a silent pc. i >>>don't want a delta airlines machine like my old dual K7 is. >>> >>>It produces more noise than a delta airlines jumbojet. Or in fact exactly that. >>>it has delta fans. >>> >>>Right now i regrettably need 1 delta fan to blow air onto the slk800. I have >>>some slower running fan here but then the processor gets too hot when diep is >>>running. >>> >>>I bet opteron is a server processor where you should not toy with at all >>>considering that it burns 80+ watt. >>> >>>People overclocking duals take a big risk. >>> >>>What i do remember is that in past i had overclocked PII300s to 450Mhz. After a >>>few months they one by one collapsed. >>> >>>In general i do not remember anything that ran dual that overclocked well in a >>>very stable way for many years. >>> >>>I remember diep ran at the icc shortly at a dual 550Mhz celeron. i know another >>>10 guys who had dual celerons. they all broke within 2 years. >>> >>>overclocking is a bad habit, but i can't deny that i sometimes try it. >> >>Sir ,I am constanley looking for the fastest and best Computer to run My Chess >>Programs on. I'm on My 6th singal Processor in as many Years. I have decided to >>go dual and almost bought a dual AMD 2800 MP's. I heard about and read all the >>articles about the Opteron and decided to go that way. I also considered buying >>some overclocked chips but My gut feeling told Me to hold off. Other creditable >>sources told Me the same thing You just did,about the reliablity issue and for >>how long. I will probualy purchase a dual Opteron 2Ghz when Thier finally >>released. Thanks for Your comments,You probualy save Me from making a big >>mistake with overclocked chips. By the way ,do You know of other Computer >>Venders that would have state-of-the art Products/cutting edge technology >>besides Monarch.com? >>>>Mike > >the problem with overclocking is that there is a few idiots reporting they can >without problems overclock and the people who find out it doesn't work for them >they do not post it. > >for the average person: DO NOT OVERCLOCK. > >Do not overclock a dual at all. If you want to try, then please remember whether >the time and material investment needed to overlock is worth the extra price and >effort. Time and material investment? Extra price and effort? Lets see, you get one of my 3200+/2.4GHz pre-tested chips that are problem-free, faster than any Athlon/P4, costs less than an Athlon MP 2400+ *AND* you don't have to overclock it. It's modified so all you have to do is put the chip in, thats *it*. You do not have to touch *ANYTHING*. Whats the problem?? You get something faster, cheaper, and no more hassle than popping in any 'regular' cpu. You can take those 1700+'s with 2.4GHz cores, and run them at 2GHz/2400+ at 1.5v completely stable. These run much cooler than an Athlon MP 2400+ and cost much less. You don't know much about overclocking Vincent, so I'd advise to sticking to things you really do know about. How am I an "idiot" for finding an undermarked 2.4GHz cpu, and making it back into a 2.4GHz chip, saving a few hundred dollars in the process? I guess I'm pretty stupid eh? :) Any idea how much AMD would charge you for a 3200+/2.4GHz Athlon MP? It would be ridiculous. Also, some people say, "You get what you pay for".. I disagree (if you do your homework so to speak).. If you prefer I could charge $500 for the modified 3200+/2.4GHz instead of $129 if it would make you guys feel any better.. :) I'd prefer everyone be able to have something fast and not just people with more money than brains.. and I see a lot of that going around lately. >Whereas a nonoverclocked cpu is going to run perfectly. that's why i bought >mp2600s (mp2800s were not there yet). > >dual opteron is the fastest thing around. the good thing about buying such a >system now is that it is possible to later upgrade. i doubt k7-mp will be >possible to upgrade. > >installing a new OS that is 64 bits to the dual opteron next year will be a >peanut. pretty hard at a dual K7 though :)
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