Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 00:10:09 07/01/03
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On June 30, 2003 at 20:30:36, Michael P. Nance Sr. wrote: >On June 30, 2003 at 19:33:07, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On June 30, 2003 at 16:07:52, Michael P. Nance Sr. wrote: >> >>>On June 30, 2003 at 14:52:07, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>> >>>>On June 30, 2003 at 14:42:36, Mr j smith wrote: >>>> >>>>>On June 30, 2003 at 14:06:43, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On June 30, 2003 at 12:14:35, Sean Mintz wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>I originally used the Tyan Tiger MP. It doesnt have video, networking, sound, or >>>>>>>anything like that which is what I wanted. It was a fast board, completely >>>>>>>stable, and I used it for almost 2 years. It got destroyed during an electrical >>>>>>>storm, though. I replaced it with a Tyan Tiger MPX which was a later revision >>>>>> >>>>>>electrical storm? >>>>>> >>>>>>What do you mean? >>>>>> >>>>>>I have 150000 volts above my head. If that ain't generating a big enough EMF, >>>>>>then the only thing that i can imagine at the moment generating a bigger EMF >>>>>>field is a H-bomb in the atmosphere. >>>>>> >>>>>>Of course you need 3 wires to the machine. 2 power wires and 1 earth, otherwise >>>>>>nowadays todays computers destroy themselves ;) >>>>>> >>>>>>>that also included networking capabilities. Better performance, still completely >>>>>>>stable, but also can be overclocked. I have my dual 1.2 ghz athlon mp's (the >>>>>>>originals) at 9x150 (1350 mhz). >>>>>>> >>>>>>>These boards have been great to me and if they sound like what you're looking >>>>>>>for then I would definately suggest them. >>>>>> >>>>>>i personally find all the dual K7 motherboards suck ass. Most boards the com >>>>>>ports do not work. good example is the Tyan stuff. only bios 2.07 the both com >>>>>>ports worked. the newer ones it doesn't. >>>>>> >>>>>>for an auto232 player pretty critical. >>>>>> >>>>>>currently i have a MPX2 motherboard. it is the best board i had so far, but keep >>>>>>in mind that this board is discontinued. >>>>>> >>>>>>dual opteron is what rocks now. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Do you know how far the dual opteron motherboards can be overclocked? By that I >>>>>mean the FSB. >>>>> >>>>>Thanks in advanced. >>>> >>>>I know that my MPX motherboard doesn't overclock at all, unless i buy all kind >>>>of stuff to cool all chipsets and that i kick out all USB devices and such. >>>> >>>>overclocking duals or quads is a very BAD idea. >>>> >>>>if i put FSB from 133Mhz to 134Mhz it already gets hung here after a while. >>>>i guess it is the usb optical mouse that causes. >>>> >>>>I have as heatsinks: swiftech 462 and on the other i have a thermalright SLK800 >>>>that latter heatsink sucks ass and the first one i love but at the second socket >>>>it didn't fit, the reason i use such heatsinks is because i want a silent pc. i >>>>don't want a delta airlines machine like my old dual K7 is. >>>> >>>>It produces more noise than a delta airlines jumbojet. Or in fact exactly that. >>>>it has delta fans. >>>> >>>>Right now i regrettably need 1 delta fan to blow air onto the slk800. I have >>>>some slower running fan here but then the processor gets too hot when diep is >>>>running. >>>> >>>>I bet opteron is a server processor where you should not toy with at all >>>>considering that it burns 80+ watt. >>>> >>>>People overclocking duals take a big risk. >>>> >>>>What i do remember is that in past i had overclocked PII300s to 450Mhz. After a >>>>few months they one by one collapsed. >>>> >>>>In general i do not remember anything that ran dual that overclocked well in a >>>>very stable way for many years. >>>> >>>>I remember diep ran at the icc shortly at a dual 550Mhz celeron. i know another >>>>10 guys who had dual celerons. they all broke within 2 years. >>>> >>>>overclocking is a bad habit, but i can't deny that i sometimes try it. >>> >>>Sir ,I am constanley looking for the fastest and best Computer to run My Chess >>>Programs on. I'm on My 6th singal Processor in as many Years. I have decided to >>>go dual and almost bought a dual AMD 2800 MP's. I heard about and read all the >>>articles about the Opteron and decided to go that way. I also considered buying >>>some overclocked chips but My gut feeling told Me to hold off. Other creditable >>>sources told Me the same thing You just did,about the reliablity issue and for >>>how long. I will probualy purchase a dual Opteron 2Ghz when Thier finally >>>released. Thanks for Your comments,You probualy save Me from making a big >>>mistake with overclocked chips. By the way ,do You know of other Computer >>>Venders that would have state-of-the art Products/cutting edge technology >>>besides Monarch.com? >>>>Mike >> >>the problem with overclocking is that there is a few idiots reporting they can >>without problems overclock and the people who find out it doesn't work for them >>they do not post it. >> >>for the average person: DO NOT OVERCLOCK. >> >>Do not overclock a dual at all. If you want to try, then please remember whether >>the time and material investment needed to overlock is worth the extra price and >>effort. >> >>Whereas a nonoverclocked cpu is going to run perfectly. that's why i bought >>mp2600s (mp2800s were not there yet). >> >>dual opteron is the fastest thing around. the good thing about buying such a >>system now is that it is possible to later upgrade. i doubt k7-mp will be >>possible to upgrade. >> >>installing a new OS that is 64 bits to the dual opteron next year will be a >>peanut. pretty hard at a dual K7 though :) > > I have 2 questions? What is a K-7? If I buy a opteron dual 244(1.8Ghz) now ,You K7 is the generation cpu's sold as XP (single cpu) and MP (dual capable). >say I will be able to upgrade later when a faster chip becomes available ,such >as the opteron 2Ghz chip to be released soon. Futhermore will all these opteron >chips be 64 bit technology? >>>>Mike opterons are 64 bit technology, but they also run 32 bits very well. So you can install win2003 server or whatever and already run 64 bits in linux. In year or so perhaps sooner we will have windows beta versions that can run 64 bits software too, they are working already years to get it to work. By now they should be ready. Linux can already run it 64 bits for you. Companies report already that they have beta versions of windows that can do 64 bits. They report this secretly, they are under NDA for it. So all they are allowed to say is that it is great. If you don't know what linux is or don't want to wait for those windows beta versions that are 64 bits, then perhaps you should not buy a dual opteron yet. Be sure to put in 244 processors :)
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