Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 00:17:38 07/01/03
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On June 30, 2003 at 20:19:50, Mike Byrne wrote: How many millions will buy a P4 now that has SMT? You mention Dell Xeon so you already have SMT if you just bought one of those chips. Best regards, Vincent >On June 30, 2003 at 19:53:46, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>Sorry Uri, >> >>i forgot to mention that Johan has given an interview which is published a few >>days ago in the computerschaak magazine. >> >>A few quotes. >> >>interviewer Andre van Ark: Johan, Do you join this year the worldchampionship in >>Graz? >> >>Johan: "No, but i do show up there. It has become tradition that The King >>doesn't join at the world championship. This tradition i like to keep. >>(laughing) A worldchampionship is really demolishing, you're in harness a full >>week and then that dragging around with the computer.... >>But again, i do intend to look there and watch the conference and play a few >>games of Amazones" >> >>Andre van Ark: When does the market see a Deep-version of The King? >> >>Johan: "Look, not at the moment! It is for the average chessmaster user not at >>all interesting, because the majority of chessplayers doesn't have at home a >>Dual PC and the buy of such hardware asks each time a substantial investment >>because certain components you have to buy twice and the total can add up quite >>a bit. >>For that amount of money i would prefer to buy every year the best single cpu PC >>above a dual from which i only would use half." > >He's absoultely correct "It is for the average chessmaster user not at >all interesting, because the majority of chessplayers doesn't have at home a >Dual PC " > >It's just us diehards that have duals. But duals are great for engine/engine >matches besides the "deep" engines. > > >"buy of such hardware asks each time a substantial investment >because certain components you have to buy twice and the total can add up quite >a bit." > >I bought a single CPU machine from a Dell outlet - all Dell Xeon machines come >equiped with a dual motherboard. I picked up a second CPU for < $400. A dual >1.7 Ghz with a 21" monitor cost me $2400 - that was two years ago. They were >having a deal and the refurb monitor was "no charge". <$400 for the second CPU >was a not substantial investment in my book. > >But he is selling millions of CM9K - how many thouands with a dual processor >are looking for chess engines? Most of us are right here or at the winboard >forum. What do you think UBI soft would give "Johan" for the few extra copies >of CM9K sells due to a dual engine. That's right - perhaps a few extra >dollars. It's not worth his time. Plus we are already buying CM9K - those that >would buy a "Deep King" - the only incremental revenue would come from a higher >price - like DJ8 or Deep Fritz. or perkaps it would be a freebie like Shredder >or Sjeng - which would mean almost no extar dollars for Johan. So I see his >point very well. I do appreciate all those who have given us SMP engines! > > > > > > > > >> >>On June 30, 2003 at 16:09:15, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On June 30, 2003 at 14:15:58, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>> >>>>On June 30, 2003 at 01:29:37, Johan de Koning wrote: >>>> >>>>>On June 29, 2003 at 18:32:09, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On June 29, 2003 at 09:57:23, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On June 29, 2003 at 09:35:50, Sherry Washington wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Would that be Shredder7.04, i am reffering to TOP programs >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I have not seen a better tactical program than CM9000 yet. >>>>>> >>>>>>that thing doesn't even run at 1 and a half processor and won't show up at world >>>>>>champs 2003 even. Very weak of the ubisoft company. >>>>> >>>>>Why use 1.5 CPU if 1 suffices to beat Diep at an number of CPUs? :-) >>>>> >>>>>Nice provocation though, but way off-topic in this thread. >>>>> >>>>>... Johan >>>> >>>>It is very on topic. You guys never show up at world champs. Play only 2 >>>>tournaments 15 minutes from where you live! >>> >>>And it is not a reason to attack Johan. >>>It is his right. >>> >>>It does not prove that chessmaster is weak. >>> >>>> >>>>That's very poor. >>>> >>>>Note that saying that most users do not use parallel machines is a very weak >>>>excuse to explain why The King is not parallel. >>> >>>Johan did not say it but I said it. >>> >>> All future processors will use >>>>SMT/HT or whatever it will be called in the future (CMP hopefully). So each chip >>>>in itself is already parallel. >>>> >>>>Every 90% of all users buying a new computer will have a parallel machine then. >>> >>>It is possible that at that time Johan will also have a parallel king. >>>It does not contradict the excuse that I gave. >>> >>>It is not the only possible excuse and another excuse is that the king simply >>>does not need more than 1 cpu beccaquse the king with 1 cpu is better than other >>>programs with more cpu's. >>> >>>another reason is that customers with 2 cpu's may use them for engine-engine >>>games when every engine get 1 cpu. >>> >>>so the question which program is better with one cpu may be still relevant for >>>them. >>> >>>> >>>>All new P4 chips have SMT to just mention a thing. >>>> >>>>DIEP is ready for it. So is deep sjeng. Shredder too. >>> >>>And chessmaster with 1 cpu is first in the last tournament and not one of them. >>> >>>> >>>>Fritz you need to pay double and for a bugfixed version you again need to pay 68 >>>>euro. >>>> >>>>How about chessmaster? >>>> >>>>You're just telling another commercial BS story to the public right now. >>>> >>>>Best regards, >>>>Vincent >>> >>>I said that most customers are not interested in more than one cpu. >>>I did not know that my name is Johan. >>> >>>Uri
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