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Subject: Re: chess and neural networks

Author: Ricardo Gibert

Date: 13:41:05 07/01/03

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On July 01, 2003 at 16:25:12, Tom Kerrigan wrote:

>On July 01, 2003 at 16:04:45, Ricardo Gibert wrote:
>
>>On July 01, 2003 at 15:31:55, Tom Kerrigan wrote:
>>
>>>On July 01, 2003 at 14:29:25, Ricardo Gibert wrote:
>>>
>>>>On July 01, 2003 at 14:21:12, Tom Kerrigan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On July 01, 2003 at 13:32:19, Ralph Stoesser wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Hello *,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why no top engine uses neural networks for positional evaluation in non-tactical
>>>>>>situations? Are there interesting publications about neural networks and chess
>>>>>>programming?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ralph
>>>>>
>>>>>Neural networks are for analyzing things that are
>>>>>"fuzzy"--voice/image/handwriting recognition, etc. Chess is a very exacting
>>>>>game. (It makes a big difference if your rook is on d1 vs. e1.) I doubt neural
>>>>>networks will ever be useful for chess.
>>>>>
>>>>>-Tom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Hmmm..but Kasparov uses the neural network within his brain to play chess
>>>>doesn't he? Are you contending he does not use his brain to play chess? Divine
>>>>inspiration?
>>>>
>>>>Perhaps you meant to say something like, "I doubt [the current interpretations
>>>>of] neural networks will ever be useful for chess."
>>>
>>>Kasparov has billions of neurons with 10-50 times as many interconnections. A PC
>>>has 50 million transistors and plays chess approximately as well. It's obvious
>>>to me that the human brain is not as well suited to playing chess as a computer
>>>(esp. considering that most human brains are much worse at chess than a 386).
>>>
>>>-Tom
>>
>>It doesn't seem as well suited, because it is not specialized for playing only
>>chess. How would feel about Deep Blue driving you to work through rush hour
>>traffic?
>
>My mistake. Humans are less complicated and better at chess than computers.
>
>-Tom

Your sarcasm not withstanding, it's possible that the part of human brain
required to play chess is the size of a walnut. Certainly, animals with a brain
smaller than that size are computationally much more sophisticated than Deep
blue. What the pentagon wouldn't pay for a smart weapon with intelligence and
perceptual abilities of an eagle.



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