Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 08:24:12 07/02/03
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On July 01, 2003 at 03:30:51, Aaron Gordon wrote: >On July 01, 2003 at 03:15:58, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On July 01, 2003 at 00:37:26, Aaron Gordon wrote: >> >>>On June 30, 2003 at 16:07:52, Michael P. Nance Sr. wrote: >>> >>>>On June 30, 2003 at 14:52:07, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>> >>>>>On June 30, 2003 at 14:42:36, Mr j smith wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On June 30, 2003 at 14:06:43, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On June 30, 2003 at 12:14:35, Sean Mintz wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I originally used the Tyan Tiger MP. It doesnt have video, networking, sound, or >>>>>>>>anything like that which is what I wanted. It was a fast board, completely >>>>>>>>stable, and I used it for almost 2 years. It got destroyed during an electrical >>>>>>>>storm, though. I replaced it with a Tyan Tiger MPX which was a later revision >>>>>>> >>>>>>>electrical storm? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>What do you mean? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I have 150000 volts above my head. If that ain't generating a big enough EMF, >>>>>>>then the only thing that i can imagine at the moment generating a bigger EMF >>>>>>>field is a H-bomb in the atmosphere. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Of course you need 3 wires to the machine. 2 power wires and 1 earth, otherwise >>>>>>>nowadays todays computers destroy themselves ;) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>that also included networking capabilities. Better performance, still completely >>>>>>>>stable, but also can be overclocked. I have my dual 1.2 ghz athlon mp's (the >>>>>>>>originals) at 9x150 (1350 mhz). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>These boards have been great to me and if they sound like what you're looking >>>>>>>>for then I would definately suggest them. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>i personally find all the dual K7 motherboards suck ass. Most boards the com >>>>>>>ports do not work. good example is the Tyan stuff. only bios 2.07 the both com >>>>>>>ports worked. the newer ones it doesn't. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>for an auto232 player pretty critical. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>currently i have a MPX2 motherboard. it is the best board i had so far, but keep >>>>>>>in mind that this board is discontinued. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>dual opteron is what rocks now. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Do you know how far the dual opteron motherboards can be overclocked? By that I >>>>>>mean the FSB. >>>>>> >>>>>>Thanks in advanced. >>>>> >>>>>I know that my MPX motherboard doesn't overclock at all, unless i buy all kind >>>>>of stuff to cool all chipsets and that i kick out all USB devices and such. >>>>> >>>>>overclocking duals or quads is a very BAD idea. >>>>> >>>>>if i put FSB from 133Mhz to 134Mhz it already gets hung here after a while. >>>>>i guess it is the usb optical mouse that causes. >>>>> >>>>>I have as heatsinks: swiftech 462 and on the other i have a thermalright SLK800 >>>>>that latter heatsink sucks ass and the first one i love but at the second socket >>>>>it didn't fit, the reason i use such heatsinks is because i want a silent pc. i >>>>>don't want a delta airlines machine like my old dual K7 is. >>>>> >>>>>It produces more noise than a delta airlines jumbojet. Or in fact exactly that. >>>>>it has delta fans. >>>>> >>>>>Right now i regrettably need 1 delta fan to blow air onto the slk800. I have >>>>>some slower running fan here but then the processor gets too hot when diep is >>>>>running. >>>>> >>>>>I bet opteron is a server processor where you should not toy with at all >>>>>considering that it burns 80+ watt. >>>>> >>>>>People overclocking duals take a big risk. >>>>> >>>>>What i do remember is that in past i had overclocked PII300s to 450Mhz. After a >>>>>few months they one by one collapsed. >>>>> >>>>>In general i do not remember anything that ran dual that overclocked well in a >>>>>very stable way for many years. >>>>> >>>>>I remember diep ran at the icc shortly at a dual 550Mhz celeron. i know another >>>>>10 guys who had dual celerons. they all broke within 2 years. >>>>> >>>>>overclocking is a bad habit, but i can't deny that i sometimes try it. >>>> >>>>Sir ,I am constanley looking for the fastest and best Computer to run My Chess >>>>Programs on. I'm on My 6th singal Processor in as many Years. I have decided to >>>>go dual and almost bought a dual AMD 2800 MP's. I heard about and read all the >>>>articles about the Opteron and decided to go that way. I also considered buying >>>>some overclocked chips but My gut feeling told Me to hold off. Other creditable >>>>sources told Me the same thing You just did,about the reliablity issue and for >>>>how long. I will probualy purchase a dual Opteron 2Ghz when Thier finally >>>>released. Thanks for Your comments,You probualy save Me from making a big >>>>mistake with overclocked chips. By the way ,do You know of other Computer >>>>Venders that would have state-of-the art Products/cutting edge technology >>>>besides Monarch.com? >>>>Mike >>> >>>My overclocked chips do NOT have problems. Not a single one of the *MANY* >>>pretested overclocked chips I have sold has had any problems. All chips are >>>tested extremely well before I ship them. >>> >>>The main reason they don't have problems is because of my testing AND the chips >>>aren't overclocked much from a technical aspect (whats printed on the chip means >>>NOTHING.. a 1700+ core have a better 'core' than a 2800+!). Just because a 1700+ >>>is running 3200+ or more doesn't mean it's going to have more problems than a >>>2200+ at 3200+ for example. Infact, there isn't a single 2200+ that can hit >>>2.4GHz (3200+) because they use Tbred-A cores. I get hand-picked 1700+ chips >>>that have 2.4GHz cores. I've explained all of this many times before and will >>>not go into it again, but I will assure you that you won't have any problems. >> >>No you never explained it. All i know is that all my friends here in western >>europe never manage to get their hands upon cpu's that overclock *that* much. >> >>You say 1700s running 2.4Ghz. >> >>Well my iwill mpx2 mainboard with some big heatsinks already has problems to >>overclock bus from 133 to 134 Mhz (effectively 135Mhz). >> >>The mouse stops working. >> >>To start with. >> >>It's a logitech cordless optical mouse connected to usb, i couldn't get it to >>work ps/2 even. >> >>further i have a keyboard attached ps/2 >> >>a Ti4200 asus card (never use the asus drivers though but the nvidia ones) >> >>and a cheapo network card which was like $10 already 5 years ago and which i had >>removed when i tried to overclock. >> >>the both chips run 2.127Ghz and they are official MP2600s. >> >>Now why won't it run 2.2Ghz ? >> >>All my friends have similar experiences. They overclock and if they manage after >>a short while they have to clock back. >> >>Now you claim you have many chips that do work? >> >>Sure there is chips that can be clocked higher. But from each 200 pressed cpu's >>only a few are in the center pressed. Then some fail anyways. >> >>Now don't tell me that all of those chips that are pressed and tested to be >>good, that they also clock to 2.4Ghz. That's BS. > >Yes, *ALL* of the chips run 2.4GHz. These are hand picked chips, and tested by >me to run 2.4GHz stable. That is *NOT* bs. All of AMDs chips that are coming off >of the line right now are at least 2.4GHz. I find the NEWEST chips and test >them. > >Your friends may have trouble overclocking because they are doing it via FSB, >which introduces problems with over speced PCI/AGP speeds. My chips don't do >this. > >About overclocking. These chips have modified multipliers and modified voltages. >You don't need to overclock anything on your board. *NOTHING*. You just put the >chip in and turn your system on, that is *ALL*. Also, some of the chips I have >modified run lower voltages than the regular Athlon XP/MP chips so they actually >run cooler than the non-overclocked Athlon. > >Since the cores are all technically 2.4GHz, running one of these cores (from the >hand-picked XP 1700+ chips) at 2.0-2.4GHz isn't overclocking at all. This is >similar to taking a P4-3.06 remarked to 2.4GHz, then modifying it back into a >3.06.. is that overclocking? No. It is overclocking by definition. A product you bought to be running X you run at y > x. It even more emphasis to the average user to not overclock himself. Overclocking is a dangerous business. A big problem of overclocking is that the reliability becomes less of for example the FPU. Now you might care shit for this, because you only 'test' it for a few seconds, but the reason those cores are clocked for example at 2.2Ghz where you find out that they 'work' for you at 2.4ghz is because some parts at the cpu are not handling 2.4Ghz very well. A good example is the itanium2 cpu's 0.18 which were clocks 900 and 1 Ghz. Intel has either all ordered them back to factory or clocked them back to 800Mhz, because they found out that in some calculations users lost bits. It is exactly this that will happen at your chips. So for those people who sometimes run crucial software, they cannot use your chips at all. That i personally am busy with computerchess and that everything is an approximation there and all is integers and not floating point, makes me simply an exception. Despite that i didn't do effort to clock my 2.1Ghz chips to 2.2Ghz. Best regards, Vincent
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