Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 08:30:26 07/02/03
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On July 01, 2003 at 03:34:25, Aaron Gordon wrote: >On July 01, 2003 at 03:03:00, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On July 01, 2003 at 00:46:34, Aaron Gordon wrote: >> >>>On June 30, 2003 at 19:33:07, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>> >>>>On June 30, 2003 at 16:07:52, Michael P. Nance Sr. wrote: >>>> >>>>>On June 30, 2003 at 14:52:07, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On June 30, 2003 at 14:42:36, Mr j smith wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On June 30, 2003 at 14:06:43, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On June 30, 2003 at 12:14:35, Sean Mintz wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>I originally used the Tyan Tiger MP. It doesnt have video, networking, sound, or >>>>>>>>>anything like that which is what I wanted. It was a fast board, completely >>>>>>>>>stable, and I used it for almost 2 years. It got destroyed during an electrical >>>>>>>>>storm, though. I replaced it with a Tyan Tiger MPX which was a later revision >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>electrical storm? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>What do you mean? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I have 150000 volts above my head. If that ain't generating a big enough EMF, >>>>>>>>then the only thing that i can imagine at the moment generating a bigger EMF >>>>>>>>field is a H-bomb in the atmosphere. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Of course you need 3 wires to the machine. 2 power wires and 1 earth, otherwise >>>>>>>>nowadays todays computers destroy themselves ;) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>that also included networking capabilities. Better performance, still completely >>>>>>>>>stable, but also can be overclocked. I have my dual 1.2 ghz athlon mp's (the >>>>>>>>>originals) at 9x150 (1350 mhz). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>These boards have been great to me and if they sound like what you're looking >>>>>>>>>for then I would definately suggest them. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>i personally find all the dual K7 motherboards suck ass. Most boards the com >>>>>>>>ports do not work. good example is the Tyan stuff. only bios 2.07 the both com >>>>>>>>ports worked. the newer ones it doesn't. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>for an auto232 player pretty critical. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>currently i have a MPX2 motherboard. it is the best board i had so far, but keep >>>>>>>>in mind that this board is discontinued. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>dual opteron is what rocks now. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Do you know how far the dual opteron motherboards can be overclocked? By that I >>>>>>>mean the FSB. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Thanks in advanced. >>>>>> >>>>>>I know that my MPX motherboard doesn't overclock at all, unless i buy all kind >>>>>>of stuff to cool all chipsets and that i kick out all USB devices and such. >>>>>> >>>>>>overclocking duals or quads is a very BAD idea. >>>>>> >>>>>>if i put FSB from 133Mhz to 134Mhz it already gets hung here after a while. >>>>>>i guess it is the usb optical mouse that causes. >>>>>> >>>>>>I have as heatsinks: swiftech 462 and on the other i have a thermalright SLK800 >>>>>>that latter heatsink sucks ass and the first one i love but at the second socket >>>>>>it didn't fit, the reason i use such heatsinks is because i want a silent pc. i >>>>>>don't want a delta airlines machine like my old dual K7 is. >>>>>> >>>>>>It produces more noise than a delta airlines jumbojet. Or in fact exactly that. >>>>>>it has delta fans. >>>>>> >>>>>>Right now i regrettably need 1 delta fan to blow air onto the slk800. I have >>>>>>some slower running fan here but then the processor gets too hot when diep is >>>>>>running. >>>>>> >>>>>>I bet opteron is a server processor where you should not toy with at all >>>>>>considering that it burns 80+ watt. >>>>>> >>>>>>People overclocking duals take a big risk. >>>>>> >>>>>>What i do remember is that in past i had overclocked PII300s to 450Mhz. After a >>>>>>few months they one by one collapsed. >>>>>> >>>>>>In general i do not remember anything that ran dual that overclocked well in a >>>>>>very stable way for many years. >>>>>> >>>>>>I remember diep ran at the icc shortly at a dual 550Mhz celeron. i know another >>>>>>10 guys who had dual celerons. they all broke within 2 years. >>>>>> >>>>>>overclocking is a bad habit, but i can't deny that i sometimes try it. >>>>> >>>>>Sir ,I am constanley looking for the fastest and best Computer to run My Chess >>>>>Programs on. I'm on My 6th singal Processor in as many Years. I have decided to >>>>>go dual and almost bought a dual AMD 2800 MP's. I heard about and read all the >>>>>articles about the Opteron and decided to go that way. I also considered buying >>>>>some overclocked chips but My gut feeling told Me to hold off. Other creditable >>>>>sources told Me the same thing You just did,about the reliablity issue and for >>>>>how long. I will probualy purchase a dual Opteron 2Ghz when Thier finally >>>>>released. Thanks for Your comments,You probualy save Me from making a big >>>>>mistake with overclocked chips. By the way ,do You know of other Computer >>>>>Venders that would have state-of-the art Products/cutting edge technology >>>>>besides Monarch.com? >>>>Mike >>>> >>>>the problem with overclocking is that there is a few idiots reporting they can >>>>without problems overclock and the people who find out it doesn't work for them >>>>they do not post it. >>>> >>>>for the average person: DO NOT OVERCLOCK. >>>> >>>>Do not overclock a dual at all. If you want to try, then please remember whether >>>>the time and material investment needed to overlock is worth the extra price and >>>>effort. >>> >>>Time and material investment? Extra price and effort? Lets see, you get one of >>>my 3200+/2.4GHz pre-tested chips that are problem-free, faster than any >>>Athlon/P4, costs less than an Athlon MP 2400+ *AND* you don't have to overclock >>>it. It's modified so all you have to do is put the chip in, thats *it*. You do >>>not have to touch *ANYTHING*. Whats the problem?? You get something faster, >>>cheaper, and no more hassle than popping in any 'regular' cpu. >>> >>>You can take those 1700+'s with 2.4GHz cores, and run them at 2GHz/2400+ at 1.5v >>>completely stable. These run much cooler than an Athlon MP 2400+ and cost much >>>less. You don't know much about overclocking Vincent, so I'd advise to sticking >>>to things you really do know about. >>> >>>How am I an "idiot" for finding an undermarked 2.4GHz cpu, and making it back >>>into a 2.4GHz chip, saving a few hundred dollars in the process? I guess I'm >>>pretty stupid eh? :) Any idea how much AMD would charge you for a 3200+/2.4GHz >>>Athlon MP? It would be ridiculous. Also, some people say, "You get what you pay >>>for".. I disagree (if you do your homework so to speak).. If you prefer I could >>>charge $500 for the modified 3200+/2.4GHz instead of $129 if it would make you >>>guys feel any better.. :) >>> >>>I'd prefer everyone be able to have something fast and not just people with more >>>money than brains.. and I see a lot of that going around lately. >>> >>>>Whereas a nonoverclocked cpu is going to run perfectly. that's why i bought >>>>mp2600s (mp2800s were not there yet). >>>> >>>>dual opteron is the fastest thing around. the good thing about buying such a >>>>system now is that it is possible to later upgrade. i doubt k7-mp will be >>>>possible to upgrade. >>>> >>>>installing a new OS that is 64 bits to the dual opteron next year will be a >>>>peanut. pretty hard at a dual K7 though :) >> >>As i said overclocking is for experts if you are one of them then don't act as >>if everyone can overclock cpu's themselves. > >Anyone can, if I already modified the chip for them. They don't have to do >anything but put in the CPU. If the person can put in the chip, they can use my >modified chips. Can you garantuee like some manufacturers does that if i put them at some FPU matrix calculations for 2 months nonstop that they give the correct result at 1 bit accuracy? I bet not. You don't even test them 1 hour. Overclocking at your own risk dudes. >>Also we need to add to this that usually people overclock to get the fastest >>cpu's even faster. Only very few cpu's which are pressed in the center of the >>wave pallet will be clocking higher than the currently fastest available >>solution. AMD or intel doesn't matter. >> >>If guys like you try to earn a bit by selling modified chips, then that's your >>business. Fact is that the average guy should *not* overclock themselves. > >Average guy can do whatever he chooses, actually. Average guy should not be stupid and not get involved in overclocking. It is fun for those who love to do it, but it eats a lot of money and resources and TIME. >>The opterons and itaniums are not created for overclocking. First one eats like >>up to 84 watt, second one 130 watt. If there is any possibility to normally put >>the chips higher, they would have done so in the factory. > >I'm only doing Athlon XP chips, not Opterons. Of course you won't be doing opterons. No company will be that insane to buy server chips for server crucial missions that are overclocked. If i overclock i take the risk that i lose bits simply. In fact you can easily measure that using programs giving given outcomes like some scientific matrix calculations do. Those run at a PC a few months / years before producing results. Bit less if you run them dual. With chess such bit loss risks are a bit less of a problem usually than for matrix calculations :) >>Further i remember from many chess tournaments the many problems there always >>are. Always cooling is the problem of the latest chips. Problems without >>overclocking sometimes is already big :) > >Some of the chips I overclock run cooler than the non-overclocked models of the >same speed, because the cores I use are better and can run a lower voltage. > >For example.. my modified Athlon XP 1700+ to Athlon MP 2400+ chips run 1.5v, >which makes them cooler than an Athlon XP 1900+ Palomino!
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