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Subject: Re: a question for you Vincent

Author: Aaron Gordon

Date: 01:23:00 07/03/03

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On July 02, 2003 at 20:41:39, Keith Evans wrote:

>On July 02, 2003 at 18:44:01, Aaron Gordon wrote:
>
>>On July 02, 2003 at 18:25:22, Keith Evans wrote:
>>
>>>On July 02, 2003 at 17:58:58, Aaron Gordon wrote:
>
>>For the most part, the chips are tested in a temperature controlled area with
>>"average" cooling. That way you don't need some god-like cooler to run stable.
>>Any old cooler rated for near what the chip is rated at will do fine.
>>
>>I understand your concerns about testing, however, temperature does make a
>>massive difference. If the chips are that on edge in the first place, BurnK7
>>and/or Prime95 will produce errors, crash/lock/reboot the system, etc.
>
>That still doesn't mean that it's exercising the worst case path. Due to the
>elevated temperature lot of paths could be failing which causes catastrophic
>failures. But when you reduce the frequency a bit that doesn't mean that the
>worst case path is then ok. What if the failure mode is obscure?
>
>Being close to the edge is ok as long as you know where the edge is.

Eh, I'd have to disagree a bit there. You don't want to be too close to the
edge. Intel keeps some chips at 5%, which is too close for me. Get someone with
one of those chips... stuff that PC up under a table in a dusty house, after
6-12 months you'll start seeing massive dust all over the heatsink & inside the
pc, clogging up fans. You'll then get a large temperature increase and
eventually an unstable CPU. I like to run 10-15% away from the edge with my
chips that way this doesn't happen.

Sometimes Intel gets too close to the edge, which is what happened with the
P3-1.13GHz chips that they recalled.. and the Itanium, and the P4-3GHz C :)



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