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Subject: Re: What part of the eval gives black the advantage in this position?

Author: Slater Wold

Date: 23:27:14 07/04/03

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On July 05, 2003 at 02:15:11, Ryan B. wrote:

>2r2rk1/p4ppp/1p2nq2/2nRp3/1Q2P3/P1P1BP1P/4B2P/3R2K1 w - - 0 1
>
>Most programs see this as at least a 1-pawn advantage for black.  My program
>does not see the advantage reporting an almost even score (-0.21).  Because I am
>not a strong chess player I cannot tell if my program is missing something in
>its eval or missing a good move to pruning.  My guess for now is that it has
>something to do with king safety but I could be way off.  Any help would be
>greatly appreciated, thanks.
>
>-Ryan

I am guessing the -0.21 is an eval from a search.  How deep?  What line is your
program seeing?

Crafty statically evals this -0.40, but on a 12 ply search says white is down
-1.01, with the following line:  1. c4 Rfe8 2. Qc3 Nf4 3. Bxf4 Qxf4 4. Qd2 Qf6
5. Qe3 Qh4 6. Bf1 f6

We've made it here:
[D]2r1r1k1/p5pp/1p3p2/2nRp3/2P1P2q/P3QP1P/7P/3R1BK1 w - - 0 7

Now Crafty says, statically:

note: scores are for the white side
material evaluation.................   0.00
development.........................   0.00
pawn evaluation.....................  -0.90
passed pawn evaluation..............   0.00
passed pawn race evaluation.........   0.00
king safety evaluation..............  -0.07
interactive piece evaluation........   0.16
total evaluation....................  -0.81


I'd say you're lacking in a pawn eval.  You should be able to see white's poor
pawn structure, just by looking at the board.  Even if you're not a good chess
player.



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