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Subject: Re: Problem solved Re: Summer problem for FritzMark fans : finding ...

Author: David Dahlem

Date: 08:18:19 07/05/03

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On July 05, 2003 at 08:14:40, Ernest Bonnem wrote:

>Thanks, Dave, the position you posted is indeed the FritzMark position :
>same PVs and evals when you let Fritz 7 examine that position with fixed depth
>10.
>
>Something else I've always wanted to know : what is the "formula" for FritzMark
>(as a function of time obtained, kN/s, what else...) ?
>
>
Hi Ernest
I don't know the "formula". All i have is a Fritzmark.epd and this is the
complete contents of that epd file:

; This seems to be the only important Testposition for Fritzmark.
; The time it takes till the engine reaches the end of ply 10 is measured.
1r5r/3b1pk1/p2p1np1/p1qPp3/2N1PbP1/2P2PN1/1PB1Q1K1/R3R3 b - - 0 1

; These positions are evaluated up to ply 6:
1q2r3/2p1bpkp/5np1/8/5B1P/5QNK/3P1PP1/R7 w - - 0 1
r1b2rk1/1p2bppp/p4n2/4B3/1qBR4/2N5/P3QPPP/R5K1 w - - 0 1
r4rk1/5p2/p1b1pQpq/8/1B2P3/2NR4/PPP3PP/1K6 w - - 0 1

Regards
Dave

>On July 04, 2003 at 11:49:35, David Dahlem wrote:
>
>>On July 04, 2003 at 09:44:21, Ernest Bonnem wrote:
>>
>>>A few years ago somebody from Sweden (sorry, haven't kept the author's name or
>>>the reference) gave the FritzMark position as :
>>>1r5r/3b1pk1/3p1np1/p1qPp3/p1N1PbP1/2P2PN1/1PB1Q1K1/R3R3 b - - 0 1
>>>
>>>I recently had a new look at it and compared with the FritzMark PVs given by
>>>Fritz 7 :
>>>1...Bb5 2.Bd3 a4 3.Rh1 Rbc8 4.Nd2
>>>  ³  (-0.44)   Depth: 6/23   00:00:00  84kN
>>>1...Bb5 2.Bd3 a4 3.Rh1 Rbc8 4.Nd2 Rb8
>>>  ³  (-0.50)   Depth: 7/22   00:00:00  129kN
>>>1...Rhc8!
>>>  ³  (-0.53)   Depth: 7/25   00:00:01  234kN
>>>1...Rhc8 2.Bd3 a4 3.Rh1 Bxg3 4.Kxg3 Bb5 5.Ne3 Bxd3
>>>  ³  (-0.56)   Depth: 7/25   00:00:01  248kN
>>>1...Rhc8!
>>>  µ  (-0.84)   Depth: 8/28   00:00:02  486kN
>>>1...Rhc8 2.Bd3 Bb5 3.g5 Bxg5 4.Rxa5 Qc7 5.f4 Bxf4
>>>  µ  (-0.84)   Depth: 9/35   00:00:04  1169kN
>>>1...Bb5!
>>>  µ  (-0.88)   Depth: 9/35   00:00:06  1418kN
>>>1...Bb5 2.Bd3 Rbc8 3.Rxa5 Qc7 4.Rea1 Bxc4 5.Bxc4 Qxc4 6.Qxc4 Rxc4 7.Rxa6 Rb8
>>>  µ  (-0.75)   Depth: 10/28   00:00:12  2979kN
>>>
>>>Obviously there is no black pawn on a4 and the corrected epd, with diagram, is :
>>>
>>>1r5r/3b1pk1/3p1np1/p1qPp3/2N1PbP1/2P2PN1/1PB1Q1K1/R3R3 b - - 0 1
>>>
>>>Thus we indeed get the 65 possible black moves (FritzMark indication), but I
>>>have 2 problems with the position :
>>>1. The last FritzMark PV indicates 1...Bb5 2.Bd3 Rbc8 3.Rxa5 Qc7,
>>>but 2 ...Rbc8 and 3 ...Qc7 are faulty moves
>>>2. When you let Fritz 7 examine the position with fixed depth 10, you don't get
>>>the same evals and PVs.
>>>
>>>So maybe the FritzMark position isn't the one above...
>>>Can you find a better one, or has ChessBase told you something about it :-))  ?
>>
>>I have this position stored on my drive as the Fritzmark position. I don't
>>remember where it came from. :-)
>>
>>[D]1r5r/3b1pk1/p2p1np1/p1qPp3/2N1PbP1/2P2PN1/1PB1Q1K1/R3R3 b - - 0 1
>>
>>Dave



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