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Subject: Re: What part of the eval gives black the advantage in this position?

Author: Tim Foden

Date: 11:21:49 07/05/03

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On July 05, 2003 at 02:15:11, Ryan B. wrote:

>[d]2r2rk1/p4ppp/1p2nq2/2nRp3/1Q2P3/P1P1BP1P/4B2P/3R2K1 w - - 0 1
>
>Most programs see this as at least a 1-pawn advantage for black.  My program
>does not see the advantage reporting an almost even score (-0.21).  Because I am
>not a strong chess player I cannot tell if my program is missing something in
>its eval or missing a good move to pruning.  My guess for now is that it has
>something to do with king safety but I could be way off.  Any help would be
>greatly appreciated, thanks.
>
>-Ryan

GLC 3.00 static eval of this position gives: white score = -0.254 pawns.

After a 12 ply search, GLC gives this line:

12 1:53.35  -0.897  87038k  c4 Rfe8 2. Rd6 Qh4 3. Qb2 f6 4. Kg2 Rc7 5. Qc2 Ng5
                              6. Bxg5 Qxg5+ 7. Kh1

So that static eval score at the end gives: white score = -0.897

This is a change of around 0.75 pawns.  Unfortunately there is not any single
evaluation term that changes, but rather there are many smaller changes.

Rough summary of relative changes:
Pawn structure    -0.11
Pawn positional   -0.13
Knight positional +0.04
Bishop positional -0.17
Bishop pair       -0.26
Rook positional   -0.14
Queen positional  +0.08
King positional   -0.12
King saftey       +0.03
King attack       -0.08

I realise this doesn't add up quite to 0.75, its more like 0.89, but I'm afraid
I've looked at GLC's output for some time now, but I still can't find where my
maths is wrong!  It'll be close enough to give you an idea.

In fact, you can run GLC, enter a FEN (FEN <fen-str>) and ask it to give a score
(SC), and it will give lots of details.  This is what I used to give the summary
above.  The output looks like this (first 15 lines only)(GLC works in 1000ths of
a pawn):

 Game stage: Middle game
 w pawn (h2) doubled                         -30
 w pawn (h2) isolated                       -104
 w pawn (a3) isolated                       -104
 w pawn (c3) isolated                       -104
 w pawn (f3) singly connected                 20
 w pawn (f3) weak                            -97
 w pawn (h3) doubled                         -30
 w pawn (h3) isolated                       -104
 w pawn (e4) singly connected                 20
       b pawn (e5) singly connected                 20
       b pawn (e5) weak                            -97
       b pawn (b6) singly connected                 20
       b pawn (a7) singly connected                 20

Cheers, Tim.



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