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Subject: Re: New intel 64 bit ?

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 20:35:45 07/07/03

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On July 07, 2003 at 14:37:25, Jay Urbanski wrote:

>On July 07, 2003 at 10:48:02, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On July 05, 2003 at 23:37:47, Jay Urbanski wrote:
>>
>>>On July 04, 2003 at 23:33:46, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>><snip>
>>>>"way better than MPI".  Both use TCP/IP, just like PVM.  Except that MPI/OpenMP
>>>>is designed for homogeneous clusters while PVM works with heterogeneous mixes.
>>>>But for any of the above, the latency is caused by TCP/IP, _not_ the particular
>>>>library being used.
>>>
>>>With latency a concern I don't know why you'd use TCP/IP as the transport for
>>>MPI when there are much faster ones available.
>>>
>>>Even VIA over Ethernet would be an improvement.
>>
>>I use VIA over ethernet, and VIA over a cLAN giganet switch as well.  The
>>cLAN hardware produces .5usec latench which is about 1000X better than any
>>TCP/IP-ethernet implementation.  However, ethernet will never touch good
>>hardware like the cLAN stuff.
>>
>>MPI/PVM use ethernet - tcp/ip for one obvious reason: "portability" and
>>"availability".  :)
>
>Well, there are plenty of MPI/PVM implementations that don't TCP/IP.  MPICH-GM,
>for instance, and PVM-GM over Myrinet.  If you're planning to use a cluster for
>chess, I would imagine you'd use the fastest switch available and bypasss TCP/IP
>for performance reasons.

I have PVM running on our giganet switch, which is faster than myrinet.  But,
as I said, such clusters are _rare_.  TCP/IP is the common cluster connection,
for obvious reasons.  And that's where the interest in clusters lies, not
in how exotic a combination you can put together, but in what kind of
performance you can extract from a common combination.




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