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Subject: Re: Shredder Breaks 2800 Barrier !!

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 07:17:37 07/09/03

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On July 09, 2003 at 07:41:56, Terry McCracken wrote:

>On July 09, 2003 at 07:15:47, Peter Stayne wrote:
>
>>Mick, see about 10 threads below.
>>
>>On July 09, 2003 at 05:59:20, Mick Turner wrote:
>>
>>>First Chess Program to ever to do on SSDF !
>>>
>>>http://w1.859.telia.com/~u85924109/ssdf/
>>>
>>>
>>>http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=1048
>
>It also means there is inflation with the ELO at SSDF.

No

I do not see inflation because inflation means that all programs get better
rating.

>
>Many people confuse such numbers, thinking that means these programmes are
>reaching 2800 FIDE which simply isn't so.

1)The pools are different pools but we have not a proof that Shredder7.04(A1200)
is not at the level of 2800 FIDE.

2)It is also impossible to find fair Fide rating by games against humans because
humans can learn the weakness of the program by playing against it at home when
they cannot do the same against human opponents.

3)I think that the only  test to get ssdf rating for humans is to play a
tournament when no player know the opponents.

The tournament can be that everybody plays everybody but the players are playing
in different rooms and do not know against who they are playing and there is a
computer program that tells them the move of the opponent.

It is the case in the ssdf games because the computers do not take advantage
of knowing of specific weaknesses of the opponents and shredder does not use
different parameters against Junior and against Fritz and I think that it is not
allowed by the rules to do it.

Uri



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