Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 08:53:18 07/09/03
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On July 09, 2003 at 02:46:36, Michael Neish wrote: >On July 09, 2003 at 01:29:36, Will Singleton wrote: > >>On July 09, 2003 at 00:51:58, Michael Neish wrote: > >>You tell me. Do you have a web browser? > >I checked it out a little before my previous post - the jury's still out. > >>>Yes I also noted the above. Thanks for your reply. >>> >> >>I mourn the passing of the <snip>, and I don't see where you noted the "above." > >Please bear in mind that I'm not, and don't pretend to be, knowledgeable about >computer hardware. I meant that the G4 seems to have been "somewhat 64-bit" in >that some of the ASM commands for it were 64-bit instructions which were not >available on the G3. So I'm rather puzzled about how much better the G5 is over >the G4, setting aside raw clock speed. Unfortunately, as you said, and I noted, >no one seems to have bothered to test it. Well the clockspeed in hardware is a pretty important thing. But if you go analyze them you'll see that the thing is pretty good in floating point, but sucks ass for integers. The velocity engine never impressed of course at the g4. The raw number of gflops it delivers is more interesting than such features and that is pretty ok. Many computerchess people seem to be happy with the for computerchess inferior P4s when compared to the cheaper and faster K7s. If that's the case then i do not see that when the G5 is like tripling at least the performance of the outdated G4s, why the mac diehards would be unhappy with the G5. I know very well the average Mac User. They have learned with big effort to use OS/9. Usually at dual Mac Servers they also install OS/9, though OS/x by default is running at it. They have major problems to learn OS/X, where it is trivial for us to use. Put such a user behind windows with the SAME software and it still will go wrong! I'm not joking here that is the sad truth of the average mac user. So if they get a gun now that can do 64 bits floating point very quickly, then it's a great thing to have for them. Whether Opteron is quite a bit faster and Itanium too, that's simply not interesting (P4 isn't 64 bits so not even *close* to the same performance). That a dual opteron server is cheaper than a G5 server and that itanic works well on paper, is simply not relevant. They can use that G5 therefore it'll be a big succes. >Mike.
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