Author: Jens Kahlenberg
Date: 08:58:22 07/09/03
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On July 09, 2003 at 10:17:37, Uri Blass wrote: >On July 09, 2003 at 07:41:56, Terry McCracken wrote: > >>On July 09, 2003 at 07:15:47, Peter Stayne wrote: >> >>>Mick, see about 10 threads below. >>> >>>On July 09, 2003 at 05:59:20, Mick Turner wrote: >>> >>>>First Chess Program to ever to do on SSDF ! >>>> >>>>http://w1.859.telia.com/~u85924109/ssdf/ >>>> >>>> >>>>http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=1048 >> >>It also means there is inflation with the ELO at SSDF. > >No > >I do not see inflation because inflation means that all programs get better >rating. > >> >>Many people confuse such numbers, thinking that means these programmes are >>reaching 2800 FIDE which simply isn't so. > >1)The pools are different pools but we have not a proof that Shredder7.04(A1200) >is not at the level of 2800 FIDE. > That's true and we have not a proof that Shredder 7.04 has even reached the level of 2700 FIDE-ELO. >2)It is also impossible to find fair Fide rating by games against humans because >humans can learn the weakness of the program by playing against it at home when >they cannot do the same against human opponents. > Hmmm ... a specialist might tune the engine on games basis of the human opponent, is that fair?! (BTW: Boris Alterman did more than a 24 hours job after Deep Junior lost 1st game against Garry) >3)I think that the only test to get ssdf rating for humans is to play a >tournament when no player know the opponents. > ... but in your ssdf-rating-tournament the humans should be allowed to look into an opening book and of course have access to TBs (if you really think that getting a ssdf rating for humans is a good idea) >The tournament can be that everybody plays everybody but the players are playing >in different rooms and do not know against who they are playing and there is a >computer program that tells them the move of the opponent. > >It is the case in the ssdf games because the computers do not take advantage >of knowing of specific weaknesses of the opponents and shredder does not use >different parameters against Junior and against Fritz and I think that it is not >allowed by the rules to do it. > >Uri Regards, Jens
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