Author: Uri Blass
Date: 09:14:49 07/09/03
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On July 09, 2003 at 11:58:22, Jens Kahlenberg wrote: >On July 09, 2003 at 10:17:37, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On July 09, 2003 at 07:41:56, Terry McCracken wrote: >> >>>On July 09, 2003 at 07:15:47, Peter Stayne wrote: >>> >>>>Mick, see about 10 threads below. >>>> >>>>On July 09, 2003 at 05:59:20, Mick Turner wrote: >>>> >>>>>First Chess Program to ever to do on SSDF ! >>>>> >>>>>http://w1.859.telia.com/~u85924109/ssdf/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=1048 >>> >>>It also means there is inflation with the ELO at SSDF. >> >>No >> >>I do not see inflation because inflation means that all programs get better >>rating. >> >>> >>>Many people confuse such numbers, thinking that means these programmes are >>>reaching 2800 FIDE which simply isn't so. >> >>1)The pools are different pools but we have not a proof that Shredder7.04(A1200) >>is not at the level of 2800 FIDE. >> > >That's true and we have not a proof that Shredder 7.04 has even reached the >level of 2700 FIDE-ELO. > >>2)It is also impossible to find fair Fide rating by games against humans because >>humans can learn the weakness of the program by playing against it at home when >>they cannot do the same against human opponents. >> > >Hmmm ... a specialist might tune the engine on games basis of the human >opponent, is that fair?! (BTW: Boris Alterman did more than a 24 hours job after >Deep Junior lost 1st game against Garry) These games were not used to calculate fide rating for a specific combination of software+hardware so they are not relevant for this discussion. > > >>3)I think that the only test to get ssdf rating for humans is to play a >>tournament when no player know the opponents. >> > >... but in your ssdf-rating-tournament the humans should be allowed to look into >an opening book and of course have access to TBs (if you really think that >getting a ssdf rating for humans is a good idea) Humans in real tournament remember theory lines so you can look at the opening book of computers as part of the memory of it. Tablebases are also part of the memory of chess programs. Uri
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