Author: Jens Kahlenberg
Date: 09:25:08 07/09/03
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On July 09, 2003 at 12:14:49, Uri Blass wrote: >On July 09, 2003 at 11:58:22, Jens Kahlenberg wrote: > >>On July 09, 2003 at 10:17:37, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On July 09, 2003 at 07:41:56, Terry McCracken wrote: >>> >>>>On July 09, 2003 at 07:15:47, Peter Stayne wrote: >>>> >>>>>Mick, see about 10 threads below. >>>>> >>>>>On July 09, 2003 at 05:59:20, Mick Turner wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>First Chess Program to ever to do on SSDF ! >>>>>> >>>>>>http://w1.859.telia.com/~u85924109/ssdf/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=1048 >>>> >>>>It also means there is inflation with the ELO at SSDF. >>> >>>No >>> >>>I do not see inflation because inflation means that all programs get better >>>rating. >>> >>>> >>>>Many people confuse such numbers, thinking that means these programmes are >>>>reaching 2800 FIDE which simply isn't so. >>> >>>1)The pools are different pools but we have not a proof that Shredder7.04(A1200) >>>is not at the level of 2800 FIDE. >>> >> >>That's true and we have not a proof that Shredder 7.04 has even reached the >>level of 2700 FIDE-ELO. >> >>>2)It is also impossible to find fair Fide rating by games against humans because >>>humans can learn the weakness of the program by playing against it at home when >>>they cannot do the same against human opponents. >>> >> >>Hmmm ... a specialist might tune the engine on games basis of the human >>opponent, is that fair?! (BTW: Boris Alterman did more than a 24 hours job after >>Deep Junior lost 1st game against Garry) > >These games were not used to calculate fide rating for a specific combination of >software+hardware so they are not relevant for this discussion. > >> >> >>>3)I think that the only test to get ssdf rating for humans is to play a >>>tournament when no player know the opponents. >>> >> >>... but in your ssdf-rating-tournament the humans should be allowed to look into >>an opening book and of course have access to TBs (if you really think that >>getting a ssdf rating for humans is a good idea) > >Humans in real tournament remember theory lines so you can look at the opening >book of computers as part of the memory of it. > >Tablebases are also part of the memory of chess programs. > >Uri So my conclusion is: 1. It is impossible to get a feasible FIDE-ELO-rating for programs 2. It is impossible to get a feasible ssdf-rating for humans Jens
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