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Subject: Re: One more Albillo position

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 16:45:49 07/09/03

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On July 09, 2003 at 19:08:45, Dieter Buerssner wrote:

>On July 09, 2003 at 02:28:35, Tony Werten wrote:
>
>>There does seem to be something strange though. The line Yace is giving with a
>>score of 1.4 is a perpetual check, with even a repetition in the main line.
>
>Yes. The line shown by Yace was fetched from HTs (and the fact was indicated be
>the "H"s attached to the moves). I think, I have no bug about repetition
>detection. I guess with more RAM initially a nicer line would have been shown.
>There is also the promotion to R in that line. Promotion to Q was probably seen
>as draw already. Probably HTs helped much, but at the time promotion to R was
>searched, the critical positions were overwritten. Still not bad, I think (until
>yet, only Ruffian analysis was shown, often a secure indication that the
>commercial engines will not do too well).
>
>Regards,
>Dieter

Shredder7.04 can solve it with 64 mbytes hash at depth 18(better than Ruffian)
I also expect next movei to solve it  fast adter I add the relevant knowledge
(it does not need to see the draw but only suspect it and reduce the score for
Kxa2)

New game
8/3R1P2/1ppP1p2/3r4/8/K7/p4k2/8 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Shredder 7.04:

1.f8Q a1Q+ 2.Kb3
  -+  (-2.00)   Depth: 1/3   00:00:00
1.Kxa2
  +-  (1.67)   Depth: 1/3   00:00:00
1.Kxa2
  +-  (1.67)   Depth: 1/3   00:00:00
1.Kxa2 Rh5
  +-  (1.94)   Depth: 2/4   00:00:00
1.Kxa2 Rd2+ 2.Kb3
  +-  (2.03)   Depth: 2/4   00:00:00
1.Kxa2 Ra5+ 2.Kb3 Ra8
  ²  (0.44)   Depth: 3/6   00:00:00
1.Kxa2 Ra5+ 2.Kb3 Ra8
  ²  (0.44)   Depth: 3/6   00:00:00
1.Kxa2 Ra5+ 2.Kb3 Ra8 3.Re7
  ²  (0.70)   Depth: 4/11   00:00:00
1.Kxa2 Ra5+ 2.Kb3 Ra8 3.Re7
  ²  (0.70)   Depth: 4/11   00:00:00
1.Kxa2 Ra5+ 2.Kb3 Ra8 3.Re7 f5
  ²  (0.70)   Depth: 5/11   00:00:00
1.Kxa2 Ra5+ 2.Kb3 Ra8 3.Re7 Rg8 4.fxg8Q
  ±  (0.95)   Depth: 6/15   00:00:00  2kN
1.Kxa2 Ra5+ 2.Kb3 Ra8 3.Re7 Rg8 4.fxg8Q
  +-  (1.45)   Depth: 6/15   00:00:00  3kN
1.Kxa2 Ra5+ 2.Kb3 Ra8 3.Rc7 c5 4.Kc4
  +-  (1.45)   Depth: 6/15   00:00:00  3kN
1.Kxa2 Ra5+ 2.Kb3 Ra8 3.Rc7 c5 4.d7 Rd8
  ±  (1.03)   Depth: 7/15   00:00:00  4kN
1.Kxa2 Ra5+ 2.Kb3 Ra8 3.Ra7 Rh8 4.Kc4
  ±  (0.98)   Depth: 7/15   00:00:00  10kN
1.Kxa2 Ra5+ 2.Kb3 Ra8 3.Re7 Rf8 4.Kc3 Rg8 5.fxg8Q
  ±  (1.23)   Depth: 8/19   00:00:00  24kN
1.Kxa2 Ra5+ 2.Kb3 Ra8 3.Re7 Rf8 4.Kc3 Rg8 5.fxg8Q
  +-  (1.73)   Depth: 8/19   00:00:00  30kN
1.Kxa2 Ra5+ 2.Kb3 Ra8 3.Rb7 Rf8 4.Ka3
  +-  (1.73)   Depth: 8/19   00:00:01  40kN
1.Kxa2 Ra5+ 2.Kb1 Ra8 3.Rc7 c5 4.Rb7
  +-  (1.48)   Depth: 9/19   00:00:01  50kN
1.Kxa2 Ra5+ 2.Kb3 Ra8 3.Re7 Rf8 4.d7 Rg8 5.fxg8Q
  +-  (1.48)   Depth: 9/19   00:00:01  76kN
1.Kxa2 Ra5+ 2.Kb3 Ra8 3.Re7 b5 4.Re8 Ra7 5.f8Q Ra3+ 6.Kxa3
  +-  (1.73)   Depth: 10/19   00:00:01  103kN
1.Kxa2 Ra5+ 2.Kb3 Ra8 3.Re7 b5 4.Re8 Ra7 5.f8Q Ra3+ 6.Kxa3
  +-  (2.23)   Depth: 10/19   00:00:01  140kN
1.Kxa2 Ra5+ 2.Kb2 f5 3.f8Q Rb5+ 4.Kc2 Rc5+ 5.Kb3 Rb5+ 6.Kc4 Rb4+ 7.Kxb4 c5+
8.Kc3 c4
  +-  (6.77)   Depth: 10/23   00:00:01  293kN
1.Kxa2 Ra5+ 2.Kb2 f5 3.f8Q Rb5+ 4.Kc2 Rc5+ 5.Kb3 Rb5+ 6.Kc4 Rc5+ 7.Kb4 Rb5+
8.Kc3 Rc5+ 9.Kb4 Rb5+ 10.Kc3 Rc5+ 11.Kb4 Rb5+
  +-  (6.77)   Depth: 11/23   00:00:02  408kN
1.Kxa2 Ra5+ 2.Kb3 f5 3.Ra7 Rxa7 4.f8Q f4 5.Qe7 Ra5 6.d7 Rb5+ 7.Kc4 c5
  +-  (6.96)   Depth: 12/25   00:00:03  697kN
1.Kxa2 Ra5+ 2.Kb3 f5 3.Ra7 Rxa7 4.f8Q f4 5.Qxf4+ Ke1 6.Qe3+ Kd1 7.Qxb6 Re7
8.dxe7
  +-  (7.18)   Depth: 13/26   00:00:05  1055kN
1.Kxa2 Ra5+ 2.Kb3 f5 3.Ra7 Rxa7 4.f8Q f4 5.Qxf4+ Ke2 6.Qe4+ Kd2 7.Qb4+ Kd3
8.Qxb6 Re7 9.dxe7
  +-  (7.18)   Depth: 14/27   00:00:07  1543kN
1.Kxa2 Ra5+ 2.Kb3 f5 3.Ra7 Rxa7 4.f8Q f4 5.Qxf4+ Ke2 6.Qe4+ Kd2 7.Qb4+ Kd1
8.Qxb6 Re7 9.dxe7
  +-  (7.43)   Depth: 15/29   00:00:12  2766kN
1.Kxa2 Ra5+ 2.Kb3 f5 3.Ra7 Rxa7 4.f8Q f4 5.Qxf4+ Ke2 6.Qe4+ Kd2 7.Qb4+ Kd1
8.Qxb6 Re7 9.dxe7
  +-  (7.43)   Depth: 15/29   00:00:13  2838kN
1.Kxa2 Ra5+ 2.Kb3 f5 3.Ra7 Rxa7 4.f8Q f4 5.Qxf4+ Ke2 6.Qe4+ Kf2 7.Qxc6 Kf1
8.Qxb6 Ra3+ 9.Kxa3
  +-  (7.68)   Depth: 16/31   00:00:23  5463kN
1.Kxa2 Ra5+ 2.Kb3 f5 3.Ra7 Rxa7 4.f8Q c5 5.Qe7 Rxe7 6.dxe7 f4 7.e8Q f3 8.Kc4
  +-  (7.78)   Depth: 16/31   00:00:30  7243kN
1.Kxa2 Ra5+ 2.Kb1 f5 3.Ra7 Rxa7 4.f8Q c5 5.d7 Rxd7 6.Qxf5+ Ke2 7.Qe6+ Kd3 8.Qf7
Rxf7
  +-  (7.63)   Depth: 17/34   00:00:51  11804kN
1.Kxa2 Ra5+ 2.Kb1 f5 3.Ra7 Rxa7 4.f8Q c5 5.d7 Rxd7 6.Qxf5+ Ke2 7.Qe6+ Kd3
8.Qxd7+ Ke3 9.Qh3+ Kf4 10.Qh4+ Ke5
  +-  (7.88)   Depth: 18/35   00:01:14  17717kN
1.Kxa2 f5 2.Ra7 Re5 3.f8R f4 4.Rxf4+ Kg3 5.Rf3+ Kxf3 6.Ra3+ Ke2 7.Re3+ Rxe3
8.Kb1 b5 9.d7 c5 10.d8Q Ke1 11.Qd1+
  +-  (7.88)   Depth: 18/39   00:02:38  37228kN
1.Kb2 Ra5 2.Ka1 Ra8 3.Re7 Rd8 4.Kxa2
  +-  (7.89)   Depth: 18/39   00:04:12  57048kN
1.Kb2 a1Q+ 2.Kxa1 Ra5+ 3.Kb1 f5 4.Ra7 Rxa7 5.f8Q f4 6.Qxf4+ Ke2 7.Qc4+ Kf3
8.Qxc6+ Ke2 9.Qxb6 Rd7 10.Kc2 Kf3
  +-  (8.18)   Depth: 18/39   00:06:06  83559kN

(Blass, Tel-Aviv 10.07.2003)

Uri



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