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Subject: Re: Inflationary Effects?

Author: Sune Fischer

Date: 03:19:30 07/13/03

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On July 12, 2003 at 23:58:24, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>If only high-rated players play high-rated players, you have _two_ pools and
>>>the rating difference between the two pools is meaningless.
>>
>>Not exactly.
>>even without swiss tournaments
>>2800 player can play against 2650 player and the 2650 player can play in another
>>tournament against 2500 player when the 2500 player can play in another
>>tournament against 2350 player...
>
>OK. That was my original point.  The "new player in town" is not going to be
>2600 to start.  He works his way up.

It shouldn't matter where he starts as long as he doesn't get a rating until
"enough" games has been played.

But since these testers has a pretty good idea that new program x version z is
better than the old version, it makes good sense to start out against the top.

The only "problem" I might fear here, is the program x version z was built to
beat program y version w, then latter comes along program y version q, built to
beat prog x version z.

This kind of inbreed might lead to artifically inflated ratings, but I don't
know much an issue this is, they seem to do really well against much lower rated
programs also.

>>>>If shredder7.04(A1200) starts by playing 20 games against palm tiger14.9 and
>>>>20 games against Fritz3(p90) then I doubt if it is going to make it's rating
>>>>smaller.
>>>>
>>>>It has good chance to get 100% or almost 100% score in these games.
>>>
>>>But one draw will cost it rating points that it won't make up with 19 wins.
>>>The other point is that as it beats palm tiger, palm tiger is going down in
>>>rating also, which will mean that others that beat it will see a smaller
>>>rating improvement.
>>
>>If palm tiger's rating is going down then Shredder7.04's rating is going up.
>>I agree that in this case other that beats palm tiger may get smaller rating so
>>the influence is for both sides but I do not see a reason to assume that the
>>influence for going up is higher.
>
>Simple.  Just see what happens on 19 losses and one draw.  If the rating
>difference is significant, the one draw kills the other player's rating
>compared to the boost from the 19 wins...

Sure, but how does this indicate inflation?
There is less margin for error if you have a really high expected score,
natually, but if you've earned that high rating through enough games, it
shouldn't be a problem.

-S.



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