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Subject: Re: Of chess engines and chess knowledge 2.

Author: Mihaly Szalai

Date: 05:36:50 07/13/03

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Hello Thomas,

sorry for the late answer.
Patzer's output is impresssive in this position.
I know nothing about this engine, not even how to obtain it.

Cheers
Mihaly


On July 12, 2003 at 12:36:50, Thomas Mayer wrote:

>Hi Mihaly,
>
>>I haven't said that computers are 'stupid' (it's a term for humans),
>>I am saying that they still have to learn a lot of things, because chess
>>is difficult.
>>We can also learn from comps analyzing our games. (I also haven't said
>>that humans are 'geniuses').
>>
>>But I think that it's our task to point at the weaknesses of chess programs,
>>without any 'undertone'.
>
>absolutely agreed !!!
>
>>Another example:
>>
>[D]1R6/8/8/5bp1/4p2k/8/B1p2PKP/8 w - - 0 1
>>
>>1. Rb1! cxb1=Q 2. Bxb1 e3 3. Bxf5! e2 4. Bg4 e1=Q 5. h3 Qc1 6. Kf3 Qf1 7.
>>Ke3 Qg2 8. Ke2 1/2-1/2
>
>For Patzer v3.61 this is easy:
>
>00:00:00  d->01   -5.51  Rc8
>00:00:00  d->01  +3.21  Rh8+
>00:00:00  d->02  +3.21  Rh8+ Kg4
>00:00:00  d->03  +2.81  Rh8+ Kg4
>00:00:00  d->03   -0.26  Rb1 cxb1=Q Bxb1
>00:00:00  d->04   -0.28  Rb1 cxb1=Q Bxb1 g4
>00:00:00  d->05   -0.34  Rb1 Bh3+ Kg1
>00:00:00  d->06   -0.82  Rb1 cxb1=Q
>00:00:00  d->06   -4.57  Rb1 cxb1=Q Bxb1 e3
>00:00:00  d->06   -2.53  Rh8+ Kg4 h3+ Kf4 Rf8 c1=Q Be6 Ke5
>00:00:00  d->07   -2.53  Rh8+ Kg4 h3+ Kf4 Rf8 c1=Q Be6 Ke5 Bxf5
>00:00:00  d->08   -2.60  Rh8+ Kg4 h3+ Kf4 Rf8 c1=Q Be6 Ke5 Bxf5 Qd2
>00:00:01  d->09   -2.57  Rh8+ Kg4 Rf8 c1=Q
>00:00:01  d->10   -2.57  Rh8+ Kg4 Rf8 c1=Q h3+ Kf4
>00:00:01  d->10   -2.10  Rb1
>00:00:03  d->11   -0.12  Rb1 cxb1=Q Bxb1 e3 Bxf5 e2 f3 e1=Q Bg4 Qc3
>00:00:03  d->12   -0.37  Rb1 cxb1=Q Bxb1 e3 Bxf5 e2 Bg4 e1=Q h3 Qd2 Kf3 Qd3+ Kg2
>00:00:05  d->13   -0.40  Rb1 cxb1=Q Bxb1 e3 Bxf5 e2 Bg4 e1=R h3
>00:00:06  d->14   -0.42  Rb1 cxb1=Q Bxb1 e3 Bxf5 e2 Bg4 e1=Q h3
>00:00:12  d->15   -0.40  Rb1 cxb1=Q Bxb1 e3 Bxf5 e2 Bg4 e1=Q h3 Qc1 Kf3 Qf1 Ke3
>Qe1+ Kf3
>
>Cool - for such things, Patzer is always worth a try, Roland puts some really
>nice stuff in it...
>
>Greets, Thomas



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