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Subject: Re: Shredder 7 finds Deep Blue move in 404 hours at depth 28/66

Author: stuart taylor

Date: 13:11:35 07/14/03

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On July 14, 2003 at 06:31:11, K. Burcham wrote:

>
>someone here posted that their program says that 39...h4 is better than Deep
>Blue move of 39...Kh6. We all know black is lost here, but if you let your
>program think long enough and deep enough you might find that your program will
>also play the Deep Blue move of 39...Kh6, Shredder 7 does but takes over 16
>days. Deep Blue was amazing.

Why was Deep Blue amazing?
Because it made a superior move over the board which takes Shredder 7 16 days,
and the same goes for all its moves?
>
>Shredder 7
>1875 mhz Amd XP
>192 hash
>
>Deep Blue Game 1
>39...Kh6
>404 Hours
>405 kns
>590.259.424.036 nodes
>Depth 28/66
>
>
> [D] 3rr3/6k1/2p3P1/1p2nP1p/pP2p1P1/P1B1Nb1B/2P2K2/5R2 b - -
>
> 12/26	 0:01 	-1.70++	39...h4 (818.861) 494.1
> 12/26	 0:01 	-1.70 	39...h4 (818.862) 494.1
> 13/13	 0:01 	-1.70 	39...h4 (824.434) 493.0
> 14/14	 0:02 	-1.70 	39...h4 (1.131.517) 495.8
> 15/15	 0:03 	-1.70 	39...h4 (1.689.602) 505.2
> 16/16	 0:04 	-1.70 	39...h4 (2.476.787) 519.6
> 17/17	 0:09 	-1.70 	39...h4 (4.588.882) 509.8
> 18/18	 0:22 	-1.70 	39...h4 (10.785.598) 482.7
> 19/38	 3:06 	-1.95--	39...h4 40.g5 Kf8 41.Bg2 Ng4+ 42.Nxg4 Bxg4 43.Ke3 Bf3
>44.Bxf3 h3 45.Bxe4 Kg8 46.f6 Rd5 47.Kf3 Rf5+ 48.Bxf5 Re3+ 49.Kxe3 (79.934.819)
>428.5
> 19/43	 4:47 	-1.95 	39...h4 40.g5 Kf8 41.Bg2 Ng4+ 42.Nxg4 Bxg4 43.Ke3 h3
>44.Bxe4 Rd1 45.g7+ Kg8 46.Rf2 Rg1 47.f6 Rg3+ 48.Kd4 Rd8+ 49.Bd5+ cxd5
>(126.000.396) 438.6
> 20/45	17:04 	-1.70++	39...h4 40.g5 Kf8 41.Bg2 Ng4+ 42.Nxg4 Bxg4 43.Ke3 h3
>44.Bxe4 h2 45.Bb2 Rxe4+ 46.Kxe4 Rd1 47.Rxd1 Bxd1 48.g7+ Kg8 49.Ke5 (430.752.923)
>420.5
> 20/46	24:16 	-1.38 	39...h4 40.g5 Kf8 41.Bg2 Ng4+ 42.Nxg4 Bxg4 43.Kg1 e3 44.Rf4
>h3 45.Bxc6 Rd1+ 46.Kh2 Rc8 47.f6 Bh5 (610.105.856) 418.9
> 21/44	34:05 	-1.63--	39...h4 40.g5 Kf8 41.Bg2 Ng4+ 42.Nxg4 Bxg4 43.g7+ Kf7
>44.Ke3 h3 45.g6+ Ke7 46.Bxe4 Rf8 47.gxf8Q+ Kd7 48.f6 (848.952.120) 414.9
> 21/47	45:10 	-2.12 	39...h4 40.g5 Kf8 41.Bg2 Ng4+ 42.Nxg4 Bxg4 43.Ke3 h3 44.Rf4
>hxg2 45.Rxg4 Rd1 46.Rxg2 Rh1 47.Bd4 Rh3+ 48.Kd2 (1.119.858.859) 413.1
> 22/47	90:26 	-2.37--	39...h4 40.g5 Kf8 41.Bg2 Ng4+ 42.Nxg4 Bxg4 43.Ke3 h3
>44.Rf4 hxg2 45.Rxg4 Rd1 46.Rxg2 Rh1 47.Bd4 Rh3+ 48.Ke2 Rd8 (2.198.716.480) 405.1
> 22/51	100:16 	-2.37 	39...h4 40.g5 Kf8 41.Bg2 Ng4+ 42.Nxg4 Bxg4 43.Ke3 h3
>44.Rf4 hxg2 45.Rxg4 Rd1 46.Rxg2 Rh1 47.Bd4 Rh3+ 48.Ke2 Rd8 49.g7+ Kg8
>(2.444.847.669) 406.3
> 23/56	193:06 	-2.62--	39...h4 40.g5 Kf8 41.Bg2 Ng4+ 42.Nxg4 Bxg4 43.Ke3 h3
>44.Rf4 hxg2 45.Rxg4 Rd1 46.Rxg2 Rh1 47.Rg3 Rh2 48.f6 Rxc2 49.Bd4 (4.631.009.303)
>399.6
> 23/56	223:39 	-3.12--	39...h4 40.g5 Kf8 41.Bg2 Ng4+ 42.Nxg4 Bxg4 43.Ke3 h3
>44.Rf4 hxg2 45.Rxg4 Rd1 46.Rxg2 Rh1 47.Rg3 Rh2 48.f6 Rxc2 49.Bd4 (5.331.426.365)
>397.2
> 23/57	308:27 	-3.70 	39...h4 40.g5 Kg8 41.Bg2 Bxg2 42.Kxg2 Rd7 43.Bxe5 Rxe5
>44.Ng4 Rdd5 45.Kh3 Kf8 46.Nxe5 Rxe5 47.Kxh4 e3 (7.336.583.990) 396.4
> 23/57	624:32 	-3.69++	39...Rd6 40.gxh5 Bxh5 41.Bg4 Bxg6 42.fxg6 Kxg6 43.Bf5+
>Kf7 44.Bxe5 Rxe5 45.Ng4 Rxf5+ 46.Ke3 Rxf1 47.Nh6+ Rxh6 48.Kxe4 (14.957.435.678)
>399.1
> 23/57	679:05 	-3.34++	39...Rd6 40.gxh5 Bxh5 41.Bg4 Bxg6 42.fxg6 Kxg6 43.Bf5+
>Kf7 44.Bxe5 Rxe5 45.Ng4 Rxf5+ 46.Ke3 Rxf1 47.Nh6+ Rxh6 48.Kxe4 c5
>(16.322.469.787) 400.6
> 23/57	709:16 	-3.34 	39...Rd6 40.gxh5 Bxh5 41.Bg4 Bxg6 42.fxg6 Kxg6 43.Bf5+ Kf7
>44.Rh1 Ng6 45.Rh7+ Kf8 46.Rh6 Kf7 47.Ng4 Red8 48.Rh7+ (17.068.296.033) 401.0
> 24/55	911:50 	-3.59--	39...Rd6 40.gxh5 Bxh5 41.Rg1 Rf6 42.Bg4 Bxg4 43.Rxg4 Re7
>44.Rxe4 c5 45.Bxe5 cxb4 46.Bxf6+ Kxf6 47.Rxb4 (21.921.021.204) 400.6
> 24/59	1015:50 	-3.73 	39...Rd6 40.gxh5 Bxh5 41.Rg1 Kg8 42.Bg4 Nxg4+ 43.Rxg4 Rf8
>44.Ke1 Rxg6 45.fxg6 Rf3 46.Rxe4 Bxg6 47.Re7 Bxc2 48.Bd4 Bb3 (24.469.191.763)
>401.4
> 24/59	1041:10 	-3.72++	39...h4 40.g5 (25.131.053.796) 402.2
> 24/59	1159:06 	-3.69 	39...h4 40.g5 Kg8 41.Bg2 Bxg2 42.Kxg2 Rd7 43.Kh3 Nc4
>44.Nxc4 bxc4 45.f6 Red8 46.Kxh4 Kf8 47.f7 Rxf7 48.gxf7 c5 (27.910.013.046) 401.3
> 25/59	1823:39 	-3.80 	39...h4 40.g5 Kf8 41.Bg2 Bh5 42.Rh1 Bxg6 43.fxg6 Nxg6
>44.Rf1 Rd7 45.Ke2+ Rf7 46.Bf6 (43.528.246.828) 397.8
> 26/61	3448:38 	-4.03 	39...h4 40.g5 Kf8 41.Bg2 c5 42.Bxf3 Nxf3 43.f6 Ne5 44.g7+
>Kg8 45.bxc5 Rd7 46.Ke2 Rdd8 47.g6 (81.900.684.843) 395.8
> 26/61	3932:56 	-4.02++	39...Rd6 40.gxh5 Bxh5 41.Rg1 Kg8 42.Bg4 Nxg4+ 43.Rxg4
>Rf8 44.Ke1 Rxg6 45.fxg6 Rf3 46.Rxe4 Bxg6 47.Re7 Bxc2 48.Bd4 Kf8 (93.903.358.486)
>397.9
> 26/61	4149:36 	-4.02 	39...Rd6 40.gxh5 Bxh5 41.Rg1 Kg8 42.Bg4 Nxg4+ 43.Rxg4 Rf8
>44.Rg5 Bd1 45.Nxd1 Rxd1 46.Rh5 Rxf5+ 47.Rxf5 Rc1 48.Kg3 (99.038.996.563) 397.7
> 27/57	6460:16 	-4.27--	39...Rd6 40.gxh5 Bxh5 41.Rg1 Kg8 42.Bg4 Nxg4+ 43.Rxg4
>Rf8 44.Rg5 Bd1 45.Nxd1 Rxd1 46.Rh5 Rxf5+ 47.Rxf5 Rc1 48.Kg3 (153.620.222.788)
>396.3
> 27/65	7524:12 	-4.31 	39...Rd6 40.gxh5 Bxh5 41.Rg1 Kg8 42.Bg4 Nxg4+ 43.Rxg4
>Bxg4 44.Nxg4 e3+ 45.Ke1 e2 46.Nh6+ Kf8 47.f6 Rd1+ 48.Kf2 Rf1+ 49.Kg2 Re5
>(179.888.832.802) 398.4
> 27/65	7769:35 	-4.30++	39...h4 40.g5 (186.236.263.558) 399.4
> 27/65	8795:27 	-3.97 	39...h4 40.g5 Kf8 41.Bg2 Bh5 42.Rh1 Bxg6 43.Rxh4 Bf7
>44.Bxe4 Bg8 45.f6 Kf7 46.Nf5 Kg6 47.Ng7+ Kxg5 48.Kg3 (210.817.600.678) 399.4
> 28/60	12777:32 	-4.22--	39...h4 40.g5 Kf8 41.Bg2 Bh5 42.Rh1 Bxg6 43.Rxh4 Bf7
>44.Bxe4 Bg8 45.f6 Kf7 46.Nf5 Kg6 47.Ng7+ Kxg5 48.Kg3 (305.337.441.606) 398.2
> 28/65	14804:01 	-4.56 	39...h4 40.g5 Kf8 41.Bg2 Bxg2 42.Kxg2 c5 43.bxc5 Rc8
>44.Rh1 Rxc5 45.Bb4 Rec8 46.Rxh4 Nxg6 (353.699.752.168) 398.2
> 28/65	16295:25 	-4.55++	39...Rd6 40.gxh5 Bxh5 41.Rg1 (391.581.817.611) 400.5
> 28/66	19457:45 	-4.40 	39...Rd6 40.gxh5 Bxh5 41.Rg1 Kf8 42.Rg5 Bxg6 43.fxg6
>Nxg6 44.Nf5 e3+ 45.Ke1 Ne5 46.Nxd6 Nf3+ 47.Ke2 (470.342.435.265) 402.8
> 28/66	24265:29 	-4.39++	39...Kh6 40.gxh5 Bxh5 41.Rh1 Nxg6 42.fxg6 Kxg6 43.Rg1+
>Kf7 44.Rg7+ Kf8 45.Rg5 Bf7 46.Bg7+ Ke7 47.Nf5+ Kd7 48.Bf6 e3+ 49.Nxe3+ Be6
>50.Bxe6+ Kxe6 (590.259.424.036) 405.4
>best move: Kg7-h6 time: 24511:18.922 min  n/s: 405.604  CPU 99.6%  nodes:
>596.513.874.980 TB: 5.904
>
>
>[Event "IBM Kasparov vs. Deep Blue Rematch"]
>[Site "New York, NY USA"]
>[Date "1997.05.03"]
>[Round "1"]
>[White "Kasparov, Garry"]
>[Black "Deep Blue"]
>[Opening "Reti: King's Indian attack, Keres variation"]
>[ECO "A07"]
>[Result "1-0"]
>
>1.Nf3 d5 2.g3 Bg4 3.b3 Nd7 4.Bb2 e6 5.Bg2 Ngf6 6.O-O c6 7.d3 Bd6
>8.Nbd2 O-O 9.h3 Bh5 10.e3 h6 11.Qe1 Qa5 12.a3 Bc7 13.Nh4 g5
>14.Nhf3 e5 15.e4 Rfe8 16.Nh2 Qb6 17.Qc1 a5 18.Re1 Bd6 19.Ndf1 dxe4
>20.dxe4 Bc5 21.Ne3 Rad8 22.Nhf1 g4 23.hxg4 Nxg4 24.f3 Nxe3
>25.Nxe3 Be7 26.Kh1 Bg5 27.Re2 a4 28.b4 f5 29.exf5 e4 30.f4 Bxe2
>31.fxg5 Ne5 32.g6 Bf3 33.Bc3 Qb5 34.Qf1 Qxf1+ 35.Rxf1 h5 36.Kg1 Kf8
>37.Bh3 b5 38.Kf2 Kg7 39.g4 Kh6 40.Rg1 hxg4 41.Bxg4 Bxg4
>42.Nxg4+ Nxg4+ 43.Rxg4 Rd5 44.f6 Rd1 45.g7 1-0
>
>kburcham



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