Author: Anson T J
Date: 20:00:03 07/18/03
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On July 18, 2003 at 19:20:32, Brian Kostick wrote:
>On July 18, 2003 at 09:09:49, Anson T J wrote:
>
>>On July 18, 2003 at 03:10:04, m.d.hurd wrote:
>>
>>>On July 17, 2003 at 18:52:33, Anson T J wrote:
>>>
>>>>[d]1k1r2r1/pp1P1p2/2p3pp/8/5q2/1NBQ4/PP6/K2R4 b - - 0 1
>>>>Current game, Junior 8 - Hiarcs 8
>>>>
>>>>Junior 8 just played d7 (2.61/17) after 2:15 Hiarcs 8 is thinking ...b6 with
>>>>-0.30 (good for black).
>>>>
>>>>As my computer is tied up in the match, I'm curious to know how the other
>>>>engines evaluate this position.
>>>>
>>>>Thx
>>>>
>>>>http://mysite.freeserve.com/intagrand/junior8/index.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>This is very unbalanced position which shows up in the different scores of
>>>Shredder and Junior.
>>>
>>>
>>>New game
>>>1k1r2r1/pp1P1p2/2p3pp/8/5q2/1NBQ4/PP6/K2R4 b - - 0 1
>>>
>>>Analysis by Junior 8:
>>>
>>>1...h5 2.Nc5 h4 3.Re1 Ka8 4.Be5 Qf2 5.Rc1 Qg2 6.Qd6 h3 7.Re1 f5
>>>+- (2.30) Depth: 19 00:08:23 673867kN
>>>(18.07.2003)
>>>
>>>Analysis by Shredder 7.04:
>>>
>>>1...b6 2.Nd2 f6 3.Ne4 f5 4.Nf6 Rgf8 5.Kb1 Rf7 6.Rg1 g5 7.Re1 Kb7 8.Rf1
>>>² (0.50) Depth: 16/36 00:04:51 104896kN
>>>(18.07.2003)
>>>
>>>Does Shredder have more knowledge of the 3 connected passed pawns I wonder ?
>>>
>>>
>>>Regards
>>>
>>>Mike
>>
>>Heres how Junior 8 played out the game. It seems that it was correct with its +2
>>score for white and seems that the position above was a win for white. Not many
>>engines see the position above as a great one for white.
>>
>>[Event "Junior 8 Test"]
>>[Site "London"]
>>[Date "2003.07.17"]
>>[Round "14.1"]
>>[White "Junior 8"]
>>[Black "Hiarcs 8"]
>>[Result "1-0"]
>>[ECO "B19"]
>>[PlyCount "89"]
>>
>>1. d4 {0} c6 {0} 2. e4 {0} d5 {0} 3. Nd2 {0} dxe4 {0} 4. Nxe4 {0} Bf5 {0} 5. Ng3
>>{0} Bg6 {0} 6. h4 {0} h6 {0} 7. Nf3 {0} Nd7 {0} 8. h5 {0} Bh7 {0} 9. Bd3 {0}
>>Bxd3 {0} 10. Qxd3 {0} Qc7 {0} 11. Bd2 {0} e6 {0} 12. O-O-O {0} O-O-O {0} 13. Ne4
>>{0} Ngf6 {0.13/13 7:54} 14. g3 {0} Nc5 {0} 15. Nxc5 {0} Bxc5 {0} 16. c4 {0} Ng4
>>{0} 17. Qe2 {0.45/17 4:43} Be7 {0} 18. Bc3 {0.50/18 10:19} Kb8 {(Qb6) 0.31/12
>>6:28} 19. Nd2 {(Kb1) 0.59/18 5:02} Nf6 {0.23/13 4:21} 20. Nb3 {(Kb1) 0.67/20 0}
>>Bd6 {(Rhg8) 0.19/13 7:14} 21. Rhe1 {0.77/20 13:45} Rhe8 {(Rhg8) 0.24/14 0} 22.
>>f4 {(Kb1) 0.84/19 3:10} Rg8 {(Qe7) 0.23/13 4:57} 23. Kb1 {0.87/19 8:43} Qc8
>>{(Qe7) 0.46/13 53} 24. Ka1 {(Nc5) 0.93/18 4:43} g6 {(Ka8) 0.16/13 3:17} 25. d5
>>{(hxg6) 1.89/16 2:16} Nxh5 {0.32/13 3:59} 26. c5 {1.92/17 51} Nxg3 {0.13/13
>>2:24} 27. Qf3 {(Qf2) 1.93/18 3:01} exd5 {0.15/14 5:37} 28. cxd6 {(Qxg3) 1.99/20
>>0} Ne4 {(Nf5) 0.2/14 8:25} 29. Rxe4 {2.69/18 20:49} dxe4 {-0.05/15 0} 30. Qxe4
>>{2.61/17 6:57} Qg4 {(Qe6) -0.05/14 0} 31. Qd3 {(Qd4) 2.61/17 2:28} Qxf4 {(Qf5)
>>0.25/13 20:03} 32. d7 {(Nc5) 2.61/17 2:15}
>>
>>[d]1k1r2r1/pp1P1p2/2p3pp/8/5q2/1NBQ4/PP6/K2R4 b - - 0 1
>>
>>b6 {(h5) -0.30/13 8:20} 33. Be1 {(Nc1) 2.49/17 5:55} Kb7 {(Qf6) -0.57/13 7:10}
>>34. Bg3 {(Nd2) 2.36/19 6:25} Qb4 {(Qf6) -0.74/12 5:22} 35. Nd2 {(Qe2) 2.34/17
>>3:23} f5 {0.58/13 13:45} 36. Nc4 {3.09/19 0} Rg7 {0.84/12 5:56} 37. a3 {2.95/16
>>2:29} Qc5 {1.95/13 1:30} 38. b4 {3.25/16 7} Qd5 {1.95/12 33} 39. Qb3 {3.85/17
>>3:00} Qg2 {1.70/12 0} 40. Na5+ {4.15/17 5:43} Ka8 {2.69/14 0} 41. Be5 {4.63/17
>>4:38} Rf7 {4.39/13 21:50} 42. b5 {5.89/20 0} Qe2 {4.68/12 6:58} 43. Nxc6
>>{7.58/16 44} Qxd1+ {9.45/13 15:26} 44. Qxd1 {14.06/21 0} Rfxd7 {9.45/13 1:02}
>>45. Qb3 {adjud. 14.06/21 1:19} 1-0
>
>
>Some engines seem to refute Junior 8's optimism. I am not so sure it's a great
>position for White? BK
>
>[Event ", Blitz:5'"]
>[Site "?"]
>[Date "2003.07.18"]
>[Round "1"]
>[White "Junior 8"]
>[Black "Crafty 19.03 cb"]
>[Result "0-1"]
>[Annotator "3.00;0.08"]
>[SetUp "1"]
>[FEN "1k1r2r1/pp1P1p2/2p3pp/8/5q2/1NBQ4/PP6/K2R4 b - - 0 1"]
>[PlyCount "47"]
>
>{W=11.7 ply; 458kN/s B=10.5 ply; 227kN/s} 1... b6 {[%eval 8,9] [%emt 0:00:12]}
>2. Be1 {[%eval 300,12] [%emt 0:00:09]} Qf6 {[%eval 0,9] [%emt 0:00:09]} 3. Qe4
>{(Qc3) [%eval 274,12] [%emt 0:00:17]} Qe6 {[%eval -21,10] [%emt 0:00:09]} 4.
>Bg3+ {[%eval 236,12] [%emt 0:00:18]} Kb7 {[%eval 0,12] [%emt 0:00:08]} 5. Qb4 {
>[%eval 232,12] [%emt 0:00:09]} Ka8 {[%eval 0,11] [%emt 0:00:08]} 6. Qd2 {
>[%eval 229,12] [%emt 0:00:06]} Kb7 {[%eval 0,11] [%emt 0:00:07]} 7. Bh4 {
>(Qb4) [%eval 99,12] [%emt 0:00:21]} g5 {[%eval -124,9] [%emt 0:00:09]} 8. Bg3 {
>[%eval 11,12] [%emt 0:00:25]} f5 {(f6) [%eval -192,9] [%emt 0:00:07]} 9. Qb4 {
>[%eval 36,11] [%emt 0:00:08]} Ka8 {[%eval -209,11] [%emt 0:00:07]} 10. Qd4 {
>(Qd6) [%eval -96,12] [%emt 0:00:12]} f4 {(c5) [%eval -252,11] [%emt 0:00:06]}
>11. Bh2 {(Bf2) [%eval -127,12] [%emt 0:00:07]} c5 {
>(Rgf8) [%eval -318,10] [%emt 0:00:06]} 12. Qd2 {
>(Qd6) [%eval -152,12] [%emt 0:00:07]} Rgf8 {[%eval -345,10] [%emt 0:00:06]} 13.
>Bg1 {(Qd6) [%eval -198,10] [%emt 0:00:04]} f3 {
>(Rf7) [%eval -377,10] [%emt 0:00:06]} 14. Bf2 {
>(Be3) [%eval -251,11] [%emt 0:00:13]} Rf7 {[%eval -363,11] [%emt 0:00:07]} 15.
>Qc3 {(Bxc5) [%eval -307,13] [%emt 0:00:21]} g4 {
>(Rdxd7) [%eval -430,10] [%emt 0:00:06]} 16. Bxc5 {
>(Re1) [%eval -290,10] [%emt 0:00:04]} bxc5 {
>(Rfxd7) [%eval -471,10] [%emt 0:00:06]} 17. Nxc5 {
>[%eval -383,10] [%emt 0:00:08]} Qc6 {[%eval -435,10] [%emt 0:00:05]} 18. Qh8 {
>[%eval -353,10] [%emt 0:00:03]} Rxh8 {[%eval -447,11] [%emt 0:00:05]} 19. d8=Q+
>{[%eval -396,12] [%emt 0:00:04]} Qc8 {[%eval -456,11] [%emt 0:00:05]} 20. Qd5+
>{[%eval -396,11] [%emt 0:00:04]} Rb7 {[%eval -456,11] [%emt 0:00:05]} 21. Qd4 {
>[%eval -380,11] [%emt 0:00:04]} Rb6 {(Re8) [%eval -513,10] [%emt 0:00:05]} 22.
>Ne4 {(Nd7) [%eval -436,10] [%emt 0:00:10]} Rf8 {[%eval -667,8] [%emt 0:00:04]}
>23. a3 {(Nd6) [%eval -503,9] [%emt 0:00:04]} Rc6 {
>(Qc2) [%eval -682,8] [%emt 0:00:09]} 24. Qd5 {
>(Kb1) [%eval -547,10] [%emt 0:00:05]} f2 {[%eval -745,9] [%emt 0:00:05]} 0-1
>
>[Event ", Blitz:5'"]
>[Site "?"]
>[Date "2003.07.18"]
>[Round "1"]
>[White "Junior 8"]
>[Black "Ruffian 1.0.1"]
>[Result "0-1"]
>[Annotator "3.00;0.09"]
>[SetUp "1"]
>[FEN "1k1r2r1/pp1P1p2/2p3pp/8/5q2/1NBQ4/PP6/K2R4 b - - 0 1"]
>[PlyCount "37"]
>
>{W=12.0 ply; 518kN/s B=10.2 ply; 371kN/s} 1... b6 {[%eval 9,9] [%emt 0:00:13]}
>2. Be1 {[%eval 300,12] [%emt 0:00:09]} Qf6 {[%eval -45,9] [%emt 0:00:06]} 3.
>Qe4 {(Qc3) [%eval 274,11] [%emt 0:00:12]} Qe6 {[%eval -14,10] [%emt 0:00:13]}
>4. Bg3+ {[%eval 239,12] [%emt 0:00:16]} Kb7 {
>(Ka8) [%eval -13,11] [%emt 0:00:06]} 5. Qb4 {[%eval 242,12] [%emt 0:00:07]} Ka8
>{[%eval 0,11] [%emt 0:00:14]} 6. Qd2 {[%eval 221,13] [%emt 0:00:14]} Kb7 {
>[%eval 0,12] [%emt 0:00:05]} 7. Bh2 {(Qb4) [%eval 201,11] [%emt 0:00:06]} f5 {
>(Qd5) [%eval -124,10] [%emt 0:00:07]} 8. Bf4 {
>(Qc3) [%eval 35,11] [%emt 0:00:14]} g5 {[%eval -237,9] [%emt 0:00:07]} 9. Be3 {
>(Bh2) [%eval -112,11] [%emt 0:00:14]} Rg7 {[%eval -302,10] [%emt 0:00:09]} 10.
>Re1 {(Bd4) [%eval -252,12] [%emt 0:00:17]} Rgxd7 {
>[%eval -313,10] [%emt 0:00:05]} 11. Qc1 {(Qc2) [%eval -343,13] [%emt 0:00:24]}
>Qf7 {(f4) [%eval -336,10] [%emt 0:00:06]} 12. Bd2 {
>[%eval -345,13] [%emt 0:00:24]} f4 {[%eval -351,10] [%emt 0:00:08]} 13. Qc2 {
>(Bb4) [%eval -369,12] [%emt 0:00:08]} h5 {(f3) [%eval -362,10] [%emt 0:00:06]}
>14. Qc3 {(Rc1) [%eval -309,11] [%emt 0:00:05]} h4 {
>(Qd5) [%eval -382,9] [%emt 0:00:05]} 15. Rc1 {[%eval -385,10] [%emt 0:00:07]}
>c5 {[%eval -395,9] [%emt 0:00:04]} 16. Qf3+ {[%eval -415,11] [%emt 0:00:08]}
>Qd5 {[%eval -436,10] [%emt 0:00:10]} 17. Qf1 {
>(Qe2) [%eval -431,11] [%emt 0:00:04]} h3 {(f3) [%eval -560,9] [%emt 0:00:10]}
>18. Qxh3 {(Bc3) [%eval -540,10] [%emt 0:00:04]} c4 {
>[%eval -589,8] [%emt 0:00:01]} 19. Na5+ {(Bb4) [%eval -555,11] [%emt 0:00:05]}
>bxa5 {[%eval -610,9] [%emt 0:00:01]} 0-1
>
>[Event ", Blitz:5'"]
>[Site "?"]
>[Date "2003.07.18"]
>[Round "1"]
>[White "Junior 8"]
>[Black "Shredder 7.04 cb"]
>[Result "0-1"]
>[Annotator "3.00;0.39"]
>[SetUp "1"]
>[FEN "1k1r2r1/pp1P1p2/2p3pp/8/5q2/1NBQ4/PP6/K2R4 b - - 0 1"]
>[PlyCount "47"]
>
>{W=12.1 ply; 477kN/s B=9.8 ply; 129kN/s} 1... b6 {[%eval 39,10] [%emt 0:00:17]
>} 2. Be1 {[%eval 300,12] [%emt 0:00:09]} Qf6 {[%eval -21,10] [%emt 0:00:13]} 3.
>Qe4 {(Bg3+) [%eval 274,12] [%emt 0:00:14]} Qe6 {[%eval -29,11] [%emt 0:00:18]}
>4. Bg3+ {[%eval 236,12] [%emt 0:00:14]} Ka8 {(Kb7) [%eval -5,11] [%emt 0:00:04]
>} 5. Qd3 {(Qd4) [%eval 226,13] [%emt 0:00:11]} Kb7 {
>[%eval -63,8] [%emt 0:00:02]} 6. Qd2 {(Qd4) [%eval 180,12] [%emt 0:00:13]} f6 {
>(Qd5) [%eval -119,9] [%emt 0:00:10]} 7. Bf4 {(Qb4) [%eval 3,11] [%emt 0:00:22]}
>g5 {(Rg7) [%eval -150,8] [%emt 0:00:02]} 8. Qb4 {
>(Bg3) [%eval -45,10] [%emt 0:00:07]} Ka8 {[%eval -344,9] [%emt 0:00:07]} 9. Bd2
>{(Bc1) [%eval -171,12] [%emt 0:00:22]} f5 {(c5) [%eval -398,10] [%emt 0:00:06]}
>10. Qc3 {[%eval -188,13] [%emt 0:00:09]} f4 {
>(Rxd7) [%eval -404,10] [%emt 0:00:05]} 11. Bc1 {
>(Qf3) [%eval -214,12] [%emt 0:00:17]} Rxd7 {[%eval -456,9] [%emt 0:00:01]} 12.
>Re1 {[%eval -228,13] [%emt 0:00:12]} Qd5 {(Qd6) [%eval -463,9] [%emt 0:00:06]}
>13. Re5 {(Nd2) [%eval -228,12] [%emt 0:00:09]} Qd6 {
>[%eval -473,9] [%emt 0:00:07]} 14. Nd2 {(Rf5) [%eval -222,12] [%emt 0:00:08]}
>Rgd8 {[%eval -500,9] [%emt 0:00:11]} 15. Ne4 {
>(Re1) [%eval -253,11] [%emt 0:00:06]} Qg6 {[%eval -529,9] [%emt 0:00:03]} 16.
>Nf2 {[%eval -324,12] [%emt 0:00:13]} Rd5 {(g4) [%eval -520,9] [%emt 0:00:07]}
>17. Re1 {(Re4) [%eval -334,11] [%emt 0:00:05]} Rc5 {
>[%eval -528,10] [%emt 0:00:04]} 18. Qf3 {(Qh3) [%eval -361,12] [%emt 0:00:06]}
>Qc2 {[%eval -563,9] [%emt 0:00:03]} 19. a3 {[%eval -356,11] [%emt 0:00:03]} Rb5
>{(Rd4) [%eval -560,10] [%emt 0:00:07]} 20. Qh1 {
>(Rf1) [%eval -332,11] [%emt 0:00:05]} h5 {(Rbd5) [%eval -602,9] [%emt 0:00:08]}
>21. Ne4 {(Qf1) [%eval -394,11] [%emt 0:00:07]} Rd3 {
>[%eval -830,8] [%emt 0:00:05]} 22. b4 {(Nd2) [%eval -431,11] [%emt 0:00:03]}
>Qa4 {(Rb3) [%eval -825,10] [%emt 0:00:07]} 23. Re2 {
>(Nd2) [%eval -781,10] [%emt 0:00:04]} Rd1 {[%eval -1154,10] [%emt 0:00:07]} 24.
>Qf3 {(Qh3) [%eval -815,11] [%emt 0:00:04]} Rxb4 {[%eval -1253,9] [%emt 0:00:08]
>} 0-1
>
>[Event ", Blitz:5'"]
>[Site "?"]
>[Date "2003.07.18"]
>[Round "1"]
>[White "Junior 8"]
>[Black "The King 3.23 wb2uci"]
>[Result "0-1"]
>[Annotator "3.00;0.08"]
>[SetUp "1"]
>[FEN "1k1r2r1/pp1P1p2/2p3pp/8/5q2/1NBQ4/PP6/K2R4 b - - 0 1"]
>[PlyCount "53"]
>
>{W=12.2 ply; 499kN/s B=7.8 ply; 60kN/s} 1... b6 {[%eval 8,7] [%emt 0:00:08]}
>2. Be1 {[%eval 300,12] [%emt 0:00:09]} Qf6 {[%eval -5,8] [%emt 0:00:07]} 3. Qe4
>{(Bg3+) [%eval 274,12] [%emt 0:00:17]} g5 {(Qe6) [%eval -14,8] [%emt 0:00:12]}
>4. Bc3 {(Nd4) [%eval 305,12] [%emt 0:00:09]} Qg6 {[%eval -12,7] [%emt 0:00:02]}
>5. Qe5+ {(Qe7) [%eval 267,12] [%emt 0:00:15]} Kb7 {[%eval -26,7] [%emt 0:00:03]
>} 6. Rd6 {[%eval 220,12] [%emt 0:00:11]} Qc2 {[%eval -14,7] [%emt 0:00:04]} 7.
>Rd2 {[%eval 183,12] [%emt 0:00:13]} Qh7 {(Qg6) [%eval -10,8] [%emt 0:00:06]} 8.
>Ba5 {(Bb4) [%eval 198,12] [%emt 0:00:08]} Qg6 {[%eval -68,7] [%emt 0:00:04]} 9.
>Rd6 {[%eval 176,11] [%emt 0:00:06]} Qc2 {[%eval -90,8] [%emt 0:00:07]} 10. Bc3
>{[%eval 162,12] [%emt 0:00:05]} Qf2 {(g4) [%eval -94,7] [%emt 0:00:05]} 11. Qe7
>{(Kb1) [%eval 147,10] [%emt 0:00:07]} Qf1+ {[%eval -130,7] [%emt 0:00:10]} 12.
>Be1 {[%eval 85,13] [%emt 0:00:07]} Rg6 {[%eval -143,7] [%emt 0:00:05]} 13. Rd1
>{[%eval 65,13] [%emt 0:00:12]} Qf3 {[%eval -192,7] [%emt 0:00:02]} 14. Rc1 {
>[%eval 0,12] [%emt 0:00:08]} Qf6 {[%eval -174,8] [%emt 0:00:05]} 15. Qb4 {
>[%eval -1,11] [%emt 0:00:08]} Ka8 {(Qf3) [%eval -161,7] [%emt 0:00:04]} 16. Rd1
>{[%eval -10,11] [%emt 0:00:07]} Qf3 {[%eval -168,8] [%emt 0:00:05]} 17. Qd2 {
>[%eval -31,11] [%emt 0:00:05]} f5 {[%eval -168,7] [%emt 0:00:04]} 18. Rc1 {
>(Qc1) [%eval -138,13] [%emt 0:00:19]} c5 {(Qe4) [%eval -256,8] [%emt 0:00:07]}
>19. Nd4 {(Bf2) [%eval -173,10] [%emt 0:00:06]} Qd5 {
>[%eval -278,9] [%emt 0:00:05]} 20. Qe3 {(Nxf5) [%eval -242,11] [%emt 0:00:06]}
>Qe4 {(Qxd7) [%eval -312,8] [%emt 0:00:05]} 21. Qf2 {
>[%eval -306,12] [%emt 0:00:07]} f4 {(Rxd7) [%eval -344,8] [%emt 0:00:05]} 22.
>Nb3 {(Ne2) [%eval -296,11] [%emt 0:00:04]} Rxd7 {[%eval -355,8] [%emt 0:00:04]}
>23. Nd2 {[%eval -355,11] [%emt 0:00:07]} Qe3 {
>(Qd5) [%eval -385,8] [%emt 0:00:06]} 24. Qg2+ {[%eval -370,12] [%emt 0:00:07]}
>Kb8 {[%eval -415,8] [%emt 0:00:06]} 25. Rd1 {
>(Nb3) [%eval -427,12] [%emt 0:00:13]} Re6 {(g4) [%eval -504,7] [%emt 0:00:02]}
>26. Qh1 {(Kb1) [%eval -584,11] [%emt 0:00:04]} Qe2 {
>[%eval -500,7] [%emt 0:00:04]} 27. Rb1 {(Rc1) [%eval -571,12] [%emt 0:00:05]}
>g4 {(Red6) [%eval -507,7] [%emt 0:00:06]} 0-1
Thanks for these play outs, but please note that the time control Junior 8 was
playing under was 40 / 2 hours + 20 / 1 hour + 30 mins. If you can, please play
them out allowing Junior 8 to search to around ply 17.
regards
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