Computer Chess Club Archives


Search

Terms

Messages

Subject: Re: RK 2003 [120'/60] Comparison old / new

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 23:54:29 07/18/03

Go up one level in this thread


On July 19, 2003 at 01:49:58, Kurt Utzinger wrote:

>On July 18, 2003 at 21:37:41, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>On July 18, 2003 at 13:19:47, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>
>>>English
>>>If we compare the following, nobody would believe that the same engines had
>>>played the same tournament with only a small difference: the books
>>>
>>>Français
>>>Si on compare les résultats suivants, on ne peut guère croire que les memes
>>>modules ont joués le meme tournoi avec une petite différence: les livrets
>>>d'ouvertures:
>>>
>>>Deutsch
>>>Betrachtet man den nachstehenden Vergleich, ist kaum zu glauben, dass dieselben
>>>Programme dasselbe Turnier gespielt haben mit einem kleinen Unterschied:
>>>verschiedene Bücher:
>>>
>>>RK 2003 tournament 120'/60+60'/30+30'
>>>Results with draw book remis.ctg for all engines
>>>after 84 games [each engine 21 games]
>>>
>>>    Program                            Score     %    Av.Op.  Elo    +   -
>>>
>>>  1 TK 3.23 SKR                    :  15.5/ 21  73.8   2476   2656  129 141
>>
>>2656 - 141 = 2515
>>
>>>  2 Fritz 8                        :  11.5/ 21  54.8   2495   2528  158 118
>>>  3 Shredder 7.04                  :  11.0/ 21  52.4   2497   2513  162 109
>>>  4 Hiarcs 8                       :  11.0/ 21  52.4   2497   2513  162  96
>>>  5 Chess Tiger 15                 :  10.5/ 21  50.0   2499   2499  122 122
>>>  6 Ruffian 1.0.5                  :   9.0/ 21  42.9   2505   2455   97 153
>>>  7 Deep Sjeng 1.5                 :   8.0/ 21  38.1   2509   2425  100 145
>>>  8 Junior 8                       :   7.5/ 21  35.7   2512   2410  148 142
>>
>>2410 + 148 = 2558
>>
>>IOW, you cannot discern between the top and the bottom here.
>>
>>>
>>>RK 2003 tournament 120'/60+60'/30+30'
>>>Results with own books for all engines
>>>after 84 games [each engine 21 games]
>>>
>>>
>>>    Program                            Score     %    Av.Op.  Elo    +   -
>>>Draws
>>>
>>>  1 Shredder 7.04                  :  13.0/ 21  61.9   2490   2574  145 100
>>
>>2574 - 100 = 2474
>>
>>>  2 Junior 8                       :  13.0/ 21  61.9   2490   2574  145 117
>>>  3 Fritz 8                        :  11.0/ 21  52.4   2498   2515  162 109
>>>  4 Ruffian 1.0.5                  :  11.0/ 21  52.4   2498   2515  162  96
>>>  5 Deep Sjeng 1.5                 :  10.5/ 21  50.0   2500   2500  133 133
>>>  6 Hiarcs 8                       :   9.5/ 21  45.2   2504   2471   89 158
>>>  7 The King 3.23 skr              :   8.5/ 21  40.5   2508   2441  107 149
>>>  8 Chess Tiger 15.0               :   7.5/ 21  35.7   2513   2411   91 142
>>
>>2411 + 142 = 2553
>>
>>IOW, you cannot discern between the top and the bottom here.
>>
>>>Further details at:
>>>Détails additionnels chez:
>>>Weitere Details unter:
>>>
>>>http://www.utzingerkurt.com (section RK 2003)
>>
>>If you look at the error bars, I will think that you cannot draw any
>>conclusions.
>>
>>It will take 210 games (not 21) to find out which setup really is stonger, and
>>even at that you will not be able to discern between the closest entries.
>>
>>IMO-YMMV.
>>
>>"If ten men can build a house in one day, then 864,000 can build it in one
>>second."
>
>     Hi Dan
>     I fully agree with you. With my example I only wanted to have some
>     discussion and to demonstrate that such things can happen. I do not
>     think that the different books are responsible. If we look at the
>     above we just see the result of two "tournaments" and not more. People
>     often forget this and try to draw conclusions that are not at all
>     justified.

It is (of course) possible that the conclusions people jump to are correct.  It
is just that in this case, it is not fully justified by the evidence.



This page took 0 seconds to execute

Last modified: Thu, 15 Apr 21 08:11:13 -0700

Current Computer Chess Club Forums at Talkchess. This site by Sean Mintz.