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Subject: Re: Man vs Machine (120'/40) Utzinger-Shredder704 (01) 1-0

Author: Drexel,Michael

Date: 14:31:04 07/20/03

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On July 20, 2003 at 15:50:18, Dieter Buerssner wrote:

>On July 20, 2003 at 14:30:59, Drexel,Michael wrote:
>
>> 6k1/p4pp1/5n2/3pp2p/8/1PN1P3/P4PPP/6K1 b - - 0 22
>>
>>A very good testposition. Shredder 7.04 needs 40 seconds on my machine to avoid
>>23...d4??.
>>Fritz 8 avoids this blunder immediately but many programs have a lot of problems
>>here.
>
>>Analysis by Yace Paderborn:
>>  =  (-0.09)   Depth: 15/25   00:00:46  38747kN
>>23...d4 24.exd4 exd4 25.Nb5 d3 26.Kf1 a6 27.Nc3 Ng4 28.h3 Ne5 29.f4 Nc6 30.g4
>>hxg4 31.hxg4
>>  =  (-0.09)   Depth: 15/28   00:01:50  89174kN
>>23...d4 24.exd4 exd4 25.Nb5 d3 26.Kf1 a6 27.Nd4 Ne4 28.Ke1 Kf8 29.f3 Nc5
>>  =  (-0.02)   Depth: 16/28   00:02:12  107199kN
>
>Michael, can you give some more details, under which conditions you tested this?
>"My" Yace PB avoided d4 at depth 15. I tried with and without TBs and with 30M
>hash and 200M hash. Not, that this would be something to be proud of, I just
>wonder, how you arrived at that analysis.
>
>Regards,
>Dieter

In CB-GUI installed as UCI engine
UCI.dll 1.0.1.4
96 MB hash
Infinite Analysis, one main line.

I get different results. tried it several times

If I paste the whole game and click in the notation window on 23.Nxc3 to get the
testposition Yace does not avoid it it at depth 15.

If I paste the FEN however, Yace finds 22...Kf8 at depth 15 on the same machine.

Analysis by Yace Paderborn:

22...g5
  =  (-0.24)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
22...g5
  =  (-0.24)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
22...g5 23.Kf1
  =  (-0.18)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
22...d4 23.Ne4
  =  (-0.20)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
22...d4 23.exd4
  =  (-0.21)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
22...d4 23.exd4
  =  (-0.21)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
22...d4 23.exd4 exd4
  =  (-0.21)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
22...g5 23.Kf1 a6
  =  (-0.22)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
22...g5 23.Kf1 a5
  ³  (-0.27)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
22...g5 23.Kf1 a5
  ³  (-0.27)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
22...g5 23.Kf1 d4 24.exd4 exd4
  =  (-0.23)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
22...g5 23.Kf1 d4 24.exd4 exd4
  =  (-0.23)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
22...g5 23.Kf1 Kf8 24.Ke2 Ke7
  =  (-0.24)   Depth: 5   00:00:00
22...g5 23.Kf1 Kf8 24.Ke2 Ke7
  =  (-0.24)   Depth: 5   00:00:00
22...g5 23.b4 Kf8 24.a4 d4 25.exd4 exd4
  =  (-0.20)   Depth: 6/10   00:00:00  12kN
22...d4 23.exd4 exd4 24.a4
  =  (-0.21)   Depth: 6/10   00:00:00  15kN
22...d4 23.exd4 exd4 24.Nb1 a5 25.Nd2 g5
  ³  (-0.44)   Depth: 6/10   00:00:00  18kN
22...d4 23.exd4 exd4 24.Nb1 a5 25.Nd2 g5
  ³  (-0.44)   Depth: 6/12   00:00:00  19kN
22...d4 23.exd4 exd4 24.Nd1 Ne4 25.Nb2 Nc3 26.a3
  ³  (-0.41)   Depth: 7/12   00:00:00  32kN
22...d4 23.exd4 exd4 24.Nd1 Ne4 25.Nb2 Nc3 26.a3
  ³  (-0.41)   Depth: 7/13   00:00:01  36kN
22...d4 23.exd4 exd4 24.Nb5 d3 25.Kf1 a5 26.Nd4 d2 27.Ke2
  ³  (-0.45)   Depth: 8/13   00:00:01  59kN
22...d4 23.exd4 exd4 24.Nb5 d3 25.Kf1 a5 26.Nd4 d2 27.Ke2
  ³  (-0.45)   Depth: 8/14   00:00:01  70kN
22...d4 23.exd4 exd4 24.Nb5 d3 25.Kf1 a5 26.Nd6 g5 27.Ke1
  ³  (-0.37)   Depth: 9/14   00:00:01  136kN
22...d4 23.exd4 exd4 24.Nb5 d3 25.Kf1 a5 26.Nd6 g5 27.Ke1
  ³  (-0.37)   Depth: 9/16   00:00:01  225kN
22...d4 23.exd4 exd4 24.Na4 d3 25.Kf1 Ne4 26.f3 Nf6 27.Nc5 d2 28.Ke2
  ³  (-0.39)   Depth: 10/16   00:00:01  436kN
22...d4 23.exd4 exd4 24.Na4 d3 25.Kf1 Ne4 26.f3 Nf6 27.Nc5 d2 28.Ke2
  ³  (-0.39)   Depth: 10/18   00:00:01  602kN
22...d4 23.exd4 exd4 24.Na4 Nd5 25.Nc5 Nf4 26.Kf1 d3 27.Ne4 f5 28.Nd2
  ³  (-0.29)   Depth: 11/18   00:00:01  1025kN
22...d4 23.exd4 exd4 24.Na4 Nd5 25.Nc5 Nf4 26.Kf1 d3 27.Ne4 f5 28.Nd2
  ³  (-0.29)   Depth: 11/20   00:00:02  1930kN
22...d4 23.exd4 exd4 24.Nb5 d3 25.Kf1 a6 26.Nd6 g5 27.Ke1 Ng4 28.h3 Ne5
  ³  (-0.34)   Depth: 12/20   00:00:04  3304kN
22...d4 23.exd4 exd4 24.Nb5 d3 25.Kf1 a6 26.Nd6 g5 27.Ke1 Ng4 28.h3 Ne5
  ³  (-0.34)   Depth: 12/22   00:00:05  4463kN
22...d4 23.exd4 exd4 24.Nb5 d3 25.Kf1 a6 26.Nd4 Ng4 27.h3 Nf6 28.Ke1 Ne4 29.g4
  =  (-0.21)   Depth: 13/22   00:00:07  6162kN
22...d4 23.exd4 exd4 24.Nb5 d3 25.Kf1 a6 26.Nd4 Ng4 27.h3 Nf6 28.Ke1 Ne4 29.g4
  =  (-0.21)   Depth: 13/22   00:00:15  13183kN
22...d4 23.exd4 exd4 24.Nb5 d3 25.Kf1 a6 26.Nc3 a5 27.Ke1 Ng4 28.h3 Ne5 29.f4
Nd7
  =  (-0.18)   Depth: 14/25   00:00:20  17891kN
22...d4 23.exd4 exd4 24.Nb5 d3 25.Kf1 a6 26.Nc3 a5 27.Ke1 Ng4 28.h3 Ne5 29.f4
Nd7
  =  (-0.18)   Depth: 14/25   00:00:37  32187kN
22...d4 23.exd4 exd4 24.Nb5 d3 25.Kf1 a5 26.Ke1 Ne4 27.Nd4 g5 28.Nc6 d2+ 29.Kd1
Nxf2+ 30.Kxd2 Ne4+
  =  (-0.05)   Depth: 15/25   00:00:46  40355kN
22...Kf8 23.Kf1 a6 24.Ke2 Ke7 25.Na4 Nd7 26.b4 g5 27.Kd3
  =  (-0.06)   Depth: 15/26   00:01:43  86734kN
22...Kf8 23.Nb5 a6 24.Nc7 a5 25.Na6 d4 26.exd4 exd4 27.Nc5 Nd5 28.a3 Nc3
  =  (-0.12)   Depth: 15/28   00:02:37  130758kN
22...Kf8 23.Nb5 a6 24.Nc7 a5 25.Na6 d4 26.exd4 exd4 27.Nc5 Nd5 28.a3 Nc3
  =  (-0.12)   Depth: 15/28   00:03:03  151943kN
22...Kf8 23.Nb5 a6 24.Nc7 a5 25.Na6 d4 26.Nc5 h4 27.Nb7 d3 28.Kf1 a4
  =  (-0.03)   Depth: 16/28   00:03:58  196782kN

On AMD 2200,256 MB hash 80 seconds to avoid d4 at depth 15

Michael



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