Author: Slater Wold
Date: 15:45:52 07/21/03
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On July 21, 2003 at 16:02:23, Sherry Washington wrote: >I'm amazed that everyone here seems to take the word of Edward nemeeth and kurt >U for gospel, I mean does anyone know these people personaly? Why do they >deserve so much credibility? If I post a game and say that I won, without any >eyewitness to say that i didn't take any moves back will the game be taken for >fact? I am not saying these gentlemen are lying, but it does seem strange that >these two can accomplish better results then the hundreds of public verified >games we have with grandmasters and masters. I Have several master rated friends >and they get slaughtered everygame, one is rated 2319 and hasn't even drew out >of seven games at 60/ 0 and that was when i had only a 1 gig processor. All i >can say is that I am very sceptical of these gentelman and think their games >should be taken with a grain of salt. Kasparov himself recently said that these >people who are claiming wins against the top programs are full of crap. I for one, don't think you're trolling at all. I think you have some valid points. I have called out Edward to play 'decent hardware' time and time again, and he never will. Either his english is not so good, or there is money involved. He (and Kurt) are playing the latest programs, sure. But they are playing on 5+ year old hardware. Here's an idea; play Crafty v1.0 on today's hardware. I won't clap when you win. Period. I played JRLOK, a world-wide-known chess engine killer on ICC, 2 games of 30/0. These were games that he obviously 'planned', because he asked Potzy to set the match up (named me specifically, because I had the fastest hardware on ICC, oh, and Bob said he had been watching me, and had some kind of 'ace'.) First game he lost, second game was a draw. So, a 2500+ GM, with special 'anti-computer' skills, playing a 'thought out game', and he still loses the match. Of course, computers do lose. There was a GM on ICC running his mouth one nite about how *no* computer could beat him. So I called him out. $100 bet. You win, $100; you lose, shut up. 45 minutes later I was shelling out 100 chekels. (That was the defining moment where I realized, never use Shredder in a game for money.) I believe Edward and Kurt CAN beat the best programs out there. But I don't think they can do it 'at will'. I don't think any human can.
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