Author: Sherry Washington
Date: 18:30:10 07/21/03
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On July 21, 2003 at 16:26:38, Matthew Hull wrote: >On July 21, 2003 at 16:02:23, Sherry Washington wrote: > >>I'm amazed that everyone here seems to take the word of Edward nemeeth and kurt >>U for gospel, I mean does anyone know these people personaly? Why do they >>deserve so much credibility? If I post a game and say that I won, without any >>eyewitness to say that i didn't take any moves back will the game be taken for >>fact? I am not saying these gentlemen are lying, but it does seem strange that >>these two can accomplish better results then the hundreds of public verified >>games we have with grandmasters and masters. I Have several master rated friends >>and they get slaughtered everygame, one is rated 2319 and hasn't even drew out >>of seven games at 60/ 0 and that was when i had only a 1 gig processor. All i >>can say is that I am very sceptical of these gentelman and think their games >>should be taken with a grain of salt. Kasparov himself recently said that these >>people who are claiming wins against the top programs are full of crap. > > >I don't think so. The procedure for obtaining a win or draw against a very >strong program is one of trial and error. If you look at E. Nemeth's match >requirements, he states that he needs a copy of the program a few months in >advance. This permits experimentation in probing the program's weaknesses (and >they have weaknesses!). Then, he wants a freshly installed copy of the program >for the match which is identical to the copy he was given earlier. This ensures >that no "learning" files from previous match-play or experiments get included. >Learning files are position histories that some programs keep for games they >have lost so that they don't repeat the same mistakes. > >This means that E. Nemeth can essentially re-play already won games from his >trial and error experiments. > >So he is not really full of something. The programs have weaknesses that can be >demonstrated under certain conditions. He is simply taking advantage of this >procedure to "show-up" stronger players than himself and to tweak the egos of >weak chessplayers who can only participate in high level chess vicariously >through the ownership of a GM-strength program. > >Regards, >Matt The process you describe has a flavor of dishonesty in my opinion.
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