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Subject: Re: To Eduard Nemeth and Kurt Utzinger what will be the outcome if..........

Author: Joost Buijs

Date: 04:08:31 07/22/03

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On July 22, 2003 at 06:48:38, Sherry Washington wrote:

>On July 22, 2003 at 05:05:33, Joost Buijs wrote:
>
>>On July 22, 2003 at 04:49:27, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>
>>>On July 22, 2003 at 04:41:41, Joost Buijs wrote:
>>>
>>>>Probably they won't score 30%.
>>>>
>>>>If we look at the worst case, the Smirin vs computer match, the computers were
>>>>having a performance rating of approximately 2610. These were old engines on
>>>>outdated hardware.
>>>>
>>>>Nowadays the hardware is about twice as fast, add 50 ELO points.
>>>>The latest engines (Fritz 8, Shredder 7) are at least 55 ELO points stronger, so
>>>>a very conservative estimate is that the best engines on modern hardware perform
>>>>at least at 2715 level.
>>>>
>>>>If we look at the ELO percentage expectancy table it is easy to see that a
>>>>player with ~2100 ELO, like Mr. Nemeth claims to have, has a chance of scoring
>>>>about 3% in a match with a player of 2715.
>>>
>>>
>>>     Discussions about Elo are not important. I would admit: Eduard Nemeth
>>>     will hardly be able to draw one single game vs a 2715 Elo player but this
>>>     has no relation to fights vs computer programs where it is relatively easy
>>>     to get a draw. There is a huge difference between playing vs strong humans
>>>     or vs strong computer programs.
>>>     Kurt
>>
>>Personally I don't see the difference.
>>But maybe thats just my stupidity.
>>We may need a proof of principle, i'm happy to invite you or Mr. Nemeth for a
>>controlled match against my dual 2800 on the playchess server.
>
>
>That's just it! These guys will post all these games claiming that computers are
>not playing at 2700 level because of a win or draw that they got, but these same
>players are no where to be found when you ask them to play a controlled match!
>The key is Controlled, where they can't take back moves, or force the computer
>to play into a prepared line.

As I said before, I'm willing to spend some of my spare time to play a
controlled match against one of these guys on the playchess server.
Controlled means: no computer assistance, a free choice of opening to prevent
prepared lines, and ofcause no takebacks allowed.
I wonder what the outcome of such a match would be ;)



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