Author: Joost Buijs
Date: 04:08:31 07/22/03
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On July 22, 2003 at 06:48:38, Sherry Washington wrote: >On July 22, 2003 at 05:05:33, Joost Buijs wrote: > >>On July 22, 2003 at 04:49:27, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >> >>>On July 22, 2003 at 04:41:41, Joost Buijs wrote: >>> >>>>Probably they won't score 30%. >>>> >>>>If we look at the worst case, the Smirin vs computer match, the computers were >>>>having a performance rating of approximately 2610. These were old engines on >>>>outdated hardware. >>>> >>>>Nowadays the hardware is about twice as fast, add 50 ELO points. >>>>The latest engines (Fritz 8, Shredder 7) are at least 55 ELO points stronger, so >>>>a very conservative estimate is that the best engines on modern hardware perform >>>>at least at 2715 level. >>>> >>>>If we look at the ELO percentage expectancy table it is easy to see that a >>>>player with ~2100 ELO, like Mr. Nemeth claims to have, has a chance of scoring >>>>about 3% in a match with a player of 2715. >>> >>> >>> Discussions about Elo are not important. I would admit: Eduard Nemeth >>> will hardly be able to draw one single game vs a 2715 Elo player but this >>> has no relation to fights vs computer programs where it is relatively easy >>> to get a draw. There is a huge difference between playing vs strong humans >>> or vs strong computer programs. >>> Kurt >> >>Personally I don't see the difference. >>But maybe thats just my stupidity. >>We may need a proof of principle, i'm happy to invite you or Mr. Nemeth for a >>controlled match against my dual 2800 on the playchess server. > > >That's just it! These guys will post all these games claiming that computers are >not playing at 2700 level because of a win or draw that they got, but these same >players are no where to be found when you ask them to play a controlled match! >The key is Controlled, where they can't take back moves, or force the computer >to play into a prepared line. As I said before, I'm willing to spend some of my spare time to play a controlled match against one of these guys on the playchess server. Controlled means: no computer assistance, a free choice of opening to prevent prepared lines, and ofcause no takebacks allowed. I wonder what the outcome of such a match would be ;)
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