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Subject: Re: Could you "BUY" the world championship

Author: Matthew Hull

Date: 07:02:28 07/22/03

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On July 22, 2003 at 00:08:51, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On July 22, 2003 at 00:01:07, Matthew Hull wrote:
>
>>On July 21, 2003 at 23:29:11, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>
>>>On July 21, 2003 at 23:14:52, Derek Paquette wrote:
>>>
>>>>Ok here is a hypothetical situation for you all.
>>>>I love debating chess, and so here is something to debate.
>>>>
>>>>There was talk a few years ago of a program actually being able to play for the
>>>>world championship.  While this isn't happening, let us pretend for the sake of
>>>>this debate that it is true.
>>>>
>>>>How much money would it take to build a machine and the salary of programmers to
>>>>win a world championship match outright,
>>>>so a point where it is embarasing for the Grandmasters
>>>>
>>>>no draws, all wins, no loses
>>>>Is this possible right now? How much money would it cost
>>>
>>>Way, way more than the reward in monetary terms.
>>>
>>>>The saying is, "money can't buy everything"
>>>>only most things, is this possible?
>>>>
>>>>In my own opinion yes.
>>>>No investment by any one or two people could possibly afford this,
>>>>However if a corporation were to invest millions, they could topple the best in
>>>>the world, thoroughly,
>>>>
>>>>my own opinion of course
>>>
>>>Possible?  Maybe.  Hsu/Campbell could shrink and improve the chips by a couple
>>>orders of magnitude.  They could use 1 million of them instead of 480.  They
>>>could use a cluster of top of the line RS/6000 machines and improve/debug the
>>>programs and hardware.
>>>
>>>Probably a cost of 100 million dollars.
>>>
>>>There is absolutely no way that's going to happen.
>>>
>>>Of course, 20 years from now your desktop PC will be able to do the same thing.
>>>So why not just wait a bit.
>>
>>
>>Don't need to spend all that money!  Not even one cent more.
>>
>>I'd bet any of the top programs could win a championship on current hardware,
>>simply because of the human fatigue factor.  The programs we have now would
>>wear-down any of the top players in a 12 game match, no problem.
>
>Without a single draw for the best player in the world?
>
>I don't think you read the OP's question.


You're right.  They could not do it without draws or losses.  But I'd bet even
crafty on current hardware could win a 12+ game match against any human, just by
fatigue factor alone.

Matt



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