Author: Matthew Hull
Date: 07:02:28 07/22/03
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On July 22, 2003 at 00:08:51, Dann Corbit wrote: >On July 22, 2003 at 00:01:07, Matthew Hull wrote: > >>On July 21, 2003 at 23:29:11, Dann Corbit wrote: >> >>>On July 21, 2003 at 23:14:52, Derek Paquette wrote: >>> >>>>Ok here is a hypothetical situation for you all. >>>>I love debating chess, and so here is something to debate. >>>> >>>>There was talk a few years ago of a program actually being able to play for the >>>>world championship. While this isn't happening, let us pretend for the sake of >>>>this debate that it is true. >>>> >>>>How much money would it take to build a machine and the salary of programmers to >>>>win a world championship match outright, >>>>so a point where it is embarasing for the Grandmasters >>>> >>>>no draws, all wins, no loses >>>>Is this possible right now? How much money would it cost >>> >>>Way, way more than the reward in monetary terms. >>> >>>>The saying is, "money can't buy everything" >>>>only most things, is this possible? >>>> >>>>In my own opinion yes. >>>>No investment by any one or two people could possibly afford this, >>>>However if a corporation were to invest millions, they could topple the best in >>>>the world, thoroughly, >>>> >>>>my own opinion of course >>> >>>Possible? Maybe. Hsu/Campbell could shrink and improve the chips by a couple >>>orders of magnitude. They could use 1 million of them instead of 480. They >>>could use a cluster of top of the line RS/6000 machines and improve/debug the >>>programs and hardware. >>> >>>Probably a cost of 100 million dollars. >>> >>>There is absolutely no way that's going to happen. >>> >>>Of course, 20 years from now your desktop PC will be able to do the same thing. >>>So why not just wait a bit. >> >> >>Don't need to spend all that money! Not even one cent more. >> >>I'd bet any of the top programs could win a championship on current hardware, >>simply because of the human fatigue factor. The programs we have now would >>wear-down any of the top players in a 12 game match, no problem. > >Without a single draw for the best player in the world? > >I don't think you read the OP's question. You're right. They could not do it without draws or losses. But I'd bet even crafty on current hardware could win a 12+ game match against any human, just by fatigue factor alone. Matt
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