Author: Joachim Rang
Date: 08:17:23 07/22/03
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On July 21, 2003 at 18:45:52, Slater Wold wrote: >On July 21, 2003 at 16:02:23, Sherry Washington wrote: > >>I'm amazed that everyone here seems to take the word of Edward nemeeth and kurt >>U for gospel, I mean does anyone know these people personaly? Why do they >>deserve so much credibility? If I post a game and say that I won, without any >>eyewitness to say that i didn't take any moves back will the game be taken for >>fact? I am not saying these gentlemen are lying, but it does seem strange that >>these two can accomplish better results then the hundreds of public verified >>games we have with grandmasters and masters. I Have several master rated friends >>and they get slaughtered everygame, one is rated 2319 and hasn't even drew out >>of seven games at 60/ 0 and that was when i had only a 1 gig processor. All i >>can say is that I am very sceptical of these gentelman and think their games >>should be taken with a grain of salt. Kasparov himself recently said that these >>people who are claiming wins against the top programs are full of crap. > >I for one, don't think you're trolling at all. I think you have some valid >points. > >I have called out Edward to play 'decent hardware' time and time again, and he >never will. Either his english is not so good, or there is money involved. He >(and Kurt) are playing the latest programs, sure. But they are playing on 5+ >year old hardware. Here's an idea; play Crafty v1.0 on today's hardware. I >won't clap when you win. Period. > >I played JRLOK, a world-wide-known chess engine killer on ICC, 2 games of 30/0. >These were games that he obviously 'planned', because he asked Potzy to set the >match up (named me specifically, because I had the fastest hardware on ICC, oh, >and Bob said he had been watching me, and had some kind of 'ace'.) First game >he lost, second game was a draw. So, a 2500+ GM, with special 'anti-computer' >skills, playing a 'thought out game', and he still loses the match. > >Of course, computers do lose. There was a GM on ICC running his mouth one nite >about how *no* computer could beat him. So I called him out. $100 bet. You >win, $100; you lose, shut up. 45 minutes later I was shelling out 100 chekels. >(That was the defining moment where I realized, never use Shredder in a game for >money.) > >I believe Edward and Kurt CAN beat the best programs out there. But I don't >think they can do it 'at will'. I don't think any human can. Kurt never said he can beat the programs he said he can draw most games against them and get a score better than 40% also he is a 2000 rated player.
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