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Subject: Re: Discrepancy between score and PV

Author: Dann Corbit

Date: 11:32:30 07/22/03

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On July 22, 2003 at 02:18:04, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On July 21, 2003 at 23:53:48, Normand M. Blais wrote:
>
>>The following position occured in a game between two chess programs (My program
>>had white).
>>
>>[d]r3r1k1/1p3ppp/2n1qn2/p1b1pNB1/3pP3/P2B4/1PP2PPP/R2Q1RK1 w - -
>>
>>After the game, I decided to let the program analyse the position again just for
>>fun. But then I notice that, after finding the correct move, the pv line at
>>depth 6 was ending in a checkmate while the score at that depth was 0.02. I
>>suspect that this is a bug. Any idea how this could happend?
>>
>>NMB
>>
>>Here is the analysis:
>>
>>  1   -0.09      0        58  a4
>>  2   -0.19      0      1404  a4 Rac8
>>  3    0.05      0      2401  Qf3 Nd7 Rfd1
>>  4   -0.05      2     12896  Qf3 Nd7 Rfd1 Rac8
>>  5   -0.04      7     50855  Qf3 Nd7 Rfd1 Rac8 a4
>>  6    0.02     23    147187  Bc4 Qxc4 Bxf6 Bf8 Qg4 Qxc2 Nxg7 Bxg7 Qxg7#
>>  7    0.15     81    515963  Bc4 Qxc4 Bxf6 Bf8 Qg4 h5 Nh6+ Kh8
>>  8    0.02    296   1695515  Bc4 Qxc4 Bxf6 Bf8 Nxg7 Bxg7 Qg4 Qxc2 Qxg7#
>
>There seems to be some difference of opinion as to what the best thing to do
>here is:
>
>Crafty:
>   clearing hash tables
>   time surplus   0.00  time limit 16:39 (16:39)
>   depth   time  score   variation (1)
>     6->   0.44   0.67   1. Qf3 Nd7 2. b3 Qg6 3. h4 f6
>     7     0.71   0.64   1. Qf3 Nd7 2. Qg3 Qg6 3. Nh4 Qh5 4.
>                         Nf5
>     7->   1.64   0.64   1. Qf3 Nd7 2. Qg3 Qg6 3. Nh4 Qh5 4.
>                         Nf5
>     8     3.24   0.53   1. Qf3 Nd7 2. b3 Qg6 3. Bd2 Qf6 4.
>                         Bc4 a4 5. bxa4 Rxa4
>     8->   6.52   0.53   1. Qf3 Nd7 2. b3 Qg6 3. Bd2 Qf6 4.
>                         Bc4 a4 5. bxa4 Rxa4
>     9     8.93   0.53   1. Qf3 Nd7 2. b3 Qg6 3. Bd2 Qf6 4.
>                         Bc4 a4 5. bxa4 Rxa4
>     9    23.07   0.58   1. f4 exf4 2. Rxf4 Nd7 3. Qf1 f6 4.
>                         Bh4 Nde5 5. Be2
>     9    24.39   0.90   1. Bc4 Qxc4 2. Bxf6 g6 3. Nh6+ Kf8
>                         4. b3 Qc3 5. h3 a4
>     9->  24.73   0.90   1. Bc4 Qxc4 2. Bxf6 g6 3. Nh6+ Kf8
>                         4. b3 Qc3 5. h3 a4
>    10    26.01   0.53   1. Bc4 Qxc4 2. Bxf6 g6 3. Nh6+ Kf8
>                         4. Rc1 Be7 5. Ng4 Qc5 6. Qf3 Bxf6 7.
>                         Nxf6
>    10    50.74   0.57   1. f4 Nd7 2. Qg4 Kh8 3. Qg3 g6 4. Nh4
>                         f6 5. Bh6 Rac8 6. fxe5 Ndxe5
>    10->   1:10   0.57   1. f4 Nd7 2. Qg4 Kh8 3. Qg3 g6 4. Nh4
>                         f6 5. Bh6 Rac8 6. fxe5 Ndxe5
>    11     2:00   0.52   1. f4 exf4 2. Rxf4 Nd7 3. Qg4 Nde5
>                         4. Qg3 Nxd3 5. cxd3 Rac8 6. Nh6+ gxh6
>                         7. Be7+ Qg6 8. Bxc5 Qxg3 9. hxg3
>    11     2:43   0.56   1. Qf3 Nd7 2. b3 h6 3. Bc4 Qg6 4. Bd2
>                         Ne7 5. Nxe7+ <HT>
>    11     3:06   0.59   1. Bc4 Qxc4 2. Bxf6 g6 3. Nh6+ Kf8
>                         4. Ng4 Kg8 5. Qf3 Be7 6. Nxe5 Qxc2
>    11->   3:19   0.59   1. Bc4 Qxc4 2. Bxf6 g6 3. Nh6+ Kf8
>                         4. Ng4 Kg8 5. Qf3 Be7 6. Nxe5 Qxc2
>    12     3:28   0.58   1. Bc4 Qxc4 2. Bxf6 g6 3. Nh6+ Kf8
>                         4. Qf3 Be7 5. Bxe7+ Kxe7 6. b3 Qe6
>                         7. Rad1 Kf8 8. h3
>    12->   5:16   0.58   1. Bc4 Qxc4 2. Bxf6 g6 3. Nh6+ Kf8
>                         4. Qf3 Be7 5. Bxe7+ Kxe7 6. b3 Qe6
>                         7. Rad1 Kf8 8. h3
>    13     5:46   0.52   1. Bc4 Qxc4 2. Bxf6 g6 3. Nh6+ Kf8
>                         4. Qf3 Be7 5. Bxe7+ Kxe7 6. Rad1 a4
>                         7. b3 axb3 8. cxb3 Qe6 9. b4
>   time=16:39  cpu=98%  mat=0  n=320857243  fh=92%  nps=321k
>   ext-> chk=6264616 cap=1032852 pp=132168 1rep=380104 mate=26868
>   predicted=0  nodes=320857243  evals=88678232
>   endgame tablebase-> probes done=0  successful=0
>
>Ruffian:
>  r3r1k1/1p3ppp/2n1qn2/p1b1pNB1/3pP3/P2B4/1PP2PPP/R2Q1RK1 w - -
>  Depth   Time  Score    Best line
>   8/18   1.41   0.18    Qe2 Ne7 Bc4 Qb6 Qf3 Nxf5 Qxf5 Qc6 Rfe1
>   8-->   1.78   0.18    Qe2 Ne7 Bc4 Qb6 Qf3 Nxf5 Qxf5 Qc6 Rfe1
>   9/23   3.41   0.14    Qe2 Ne7 Bc4 Qb6 Ng3 Rac8 Rab1 Qc7 Bxf6 gxf6
>   9/23   6.37   x.xx    Qf3
>   9/23   8.78   0.19    Qf3 Rac8 Nh6+ Kf8 Bxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 Bc4 Rc7 Nf5
>   9-->   9.29   0.19    Qf3 Rac8 Nh6+ Kf8 Bxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 Bc4 Rc7 Nf5
>  10/23  14.63   0.19    Qf3 Rac8 Nh6+ Kf8 Bxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 f4 Kg7 Nf5+
>                         Kh8 Bc4
>  10-->  19.43   0.19    Qf3 Rac8 Nh6+ Kf8 Bxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6 gxf6 f4 Kg7 Nf5+
>                         Kh8 Bc4
>  11/27   1:08   0.23    Qf3 Kh8 Qe2 Nd7 Rfd1 Ne7 Nxe7 Bxe7 Bc4 Qd6 Be3 Qc7
>  11-->   1:20   0.23    Qf3 Kh8 Qe2 Nd7 Rfd1 Ne7 Nxe7 Bxe7 Bc4 Qd6 Be3 Qc7
>  12/31   3:40   0.26    Qf3 Rac8 c3 dxc3 bxc3 Kh8 Rfb1 Rc7 Bc2 Nd7 Rd1 Rec8
>                         Qe2
>  12-->   4:08   0.26    Qf3 Rac8 c3 dxc3 bxc3 Kh8 Rfb1 Rc7 Bc2 Nd7 Rd1 Rec8
>                         Qe2
>  13/33  11:04   0.27    Qf3 Nd7 Rfd1 Ne7 Bb5 Nc6 c3 a4 Rac1 Qg6 cxd4 exd4
>                         Bf4 Nde5
>  13-->  12:02   0.27    Qf3 Nd7 Rfd1 Ne7 Bb5 Nc6 c3 a4 Rac1 Qg6 cxd4 exd4
>                         Bf4 Nde5
>  14...  12:02   1/43    Qf3
>
>Time: 16:39, cpu 95.57%, nodes 458063864, nps 458504
>Hash: 128M, used 99%, hits 23%
>EGTB: probs 0, hits 0
>
>Chess Tiger 14 likes Rc1:
>r3r1k1/1p3ppp/2n1qn2/p1b1pNB1/3pP3/P2B4/1PP2PPP/R2Q1RK1 w - - ce 56; acd 14; acs
>4; pv Rc1 Ne7 Qe2 Nxf5 exf5 Qb6 Bb5 Rec8 c3 dxc3 Rxc3 Nd5 Rf3 f6 Bc4;|Ra1c1
>
>ChessMaster:
>Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
>8:55	3/12	0.68	58866439	1.Qf3 Nd7 2.Bb5 Rec8 3.Rfd1 a4
>					4.Rac1 g6 5.Ng3 Be7 6.Bd2 Bh4
>
>The Chessmaster recommends: Queen to f3.
>
>Analysis: You move your queen to f3. Black replies by moving the knight to d7.
>You move your bishop to b5. Black responds with rook at e8 to c8. You move your
>rook at f1 to d1. Black responds with the pawn to a4. You move your rook at a1
>to c1. Black counters by moving the pawn to g6, which attacks your knight. You
>move your knight to g3, which moves it to safety. Black counters by moving the
>bishop to e7, which threatens your bishop at g5. You move your bishop to d2,
>which moves it to safety. Black responds by moving bishop to h4.
>
>As a result of this sequence of moves, Black's mobility is slightly decreased.
>Additionally, Black's pawn structure slightly weaker.
>
>
>Phalanx:
>r3r1k1/1p3ppp/2n1qn2/p1b1pNB1/3pP3/P2B4/1PP2PPP/R2Q1RK1 w - -
>    -> increment adds 1440 s to soft time limit
>    -> soft time limit 3154.28 s
>    -> hard time limit 41599.9 s
>  6     35    63    58602  Qd1-e2  Nf6-d7  Pf2-f3  Pa5-a4
>  6 ->   0:01.16   124167   0 turns
>  7     55   231   289628  Qd1-e2  Nf6-d7  Qe2-g4
>  7 ->   0:03.21   452253   0 turns
>  8     36   471   728667  Qd1-e2  Nf6-d7  Qe2-g4  Qe6-g6  Nf5-h4  Qg6-e6
>                           Qg4xe6  Re8xe6  Bd3-c4  Re6-d6
>  8     40  1225  2022612  Pf2-f4  Nf6-d7  Qd1-g4  Qe6-g6  Qg4-f3
>  8     45  1370  2317380  Bd3-c4  !
>  8     70  1420  2443319  Bd3-c4  Qe6xc4  Bg5xf6  Pg7-g6  Nf5-h6  Kg8-f8
>                           Qd1-d2  Bc5-e7  Pb2-b3  Qc4-e6
>  8 ->   0:14.45  2474828   2 turns
>  9     75  1688  2921312  Bd3-c4  Qe6xc4  Bg5xf6  Pg7-g6  Qd1-d2  Pa5-a4
>  9 ->   0:24.03  4177378   0 turns
> 10     59  3091  5453579  Bd3-c4  Qe6xc4  Bg5xf6  Pg7-g6  Qd1-d2  Pa5-a4
>                           Nf5-h6  Kg8-f8  Ra1-d1  Re8-e6  Nh6-g4  Ra8-c8
> 10 ->   0:52.36  9412593   0 turns
> 11     62  8140 13821490  Bd3-c4  Qe6xc4  Bg5xf6  Pg7-g6  Qd1-d2  Pa5-a4
>                           Nf5-h6  Kg8-f8  Qd2-g5  Ra8-a6  Ra1-c1  Ra6-b6
>                           Pb2-b4
> 11 ->   4:43.81 45012677   0 turns
> 12     64 36867 58734717  Bd3-c4  Qe6xc4  Bg5xf6  Pg7-g6  Qd1-d2  Pa5-a4
>                           Nf5-h6  Kg8-f8  Rf1-e1  Re8-e6  Nh6-g4  Kf8-g8
>                           Qd2-h6  Bc5-f8
> 12 ->  10:19.54 98381024   0 turns
> 13     70 89488 141218659  Bd3-c4  Qe6xc4  Bg5xf6  Pg7-g6  Qd1-d2  Re8-e6
>                           Nf5-h6  Kg8-f8  Nh6-g4  Kf8-g8  Pb2-b3  Qc4-c3
>                           Qd2xc3  Pd4xc3  Rf1-d1  Pa5-a4  Ng4-h6  Kg8-f8
> 13 ->  28:51.54 271014655   0 turns

Yace:
usetime = 86399.00, mintime = 86399.00 maxtime = 86399.00 tl 86399.00 ml 0 tu 0.
00
        11   0.001  -0.21  1t  1.Bxf6 Qxf6 {0}
        34   0.017  -0.02  1t  1.Qf3 {10}
        78   0.026  -0.02  1.  1.Qf3 {10}
       330   0.034  -0.15  2t  1.Qf3 a4 {10}
      1136   0.045  -0.15  2.  1.Qf3 a4 {10}
      2025   0.054   0.11  3t  1.Qf3 a4 2.Nh6+ Kf8 3.Bxf6 Qxf6 4.Qxf6 gxf6 {0}
      3427   0.063   0.11  3.  1.Qf3 a4 2.Nh6+ Kf8 3.Bxf6 Qxf6 4.Qxf6 gxf6 {0}
      6708   0.099   0.01  4t  1.Qf3 Nd7 2.Rfd1 a4 {10}
     10570   0.107   0.01  4.  1.Qf3 Nd7 2.Rfd1 a4 {10}
     16333   0.124   0.08  5t  1.Qf3 Nd7 2.Rfd1 a4 3.Qh5 {10}
     25704   0.146   0.09  5t+ 1.Bc4 Qxc4 2.Bxf6 d3 3.Qg4 Rac8 4.cxd3 Qxd3 {0}
     31453   0.163   0.26  5t  1.Bc4 Qxc4 2.Bxf6 g6 3.b3 Qc3 {0}
     35180   0.173   0.26  5.  1.Bc4 Qxc4 2.Bxf6 g6 3.b3 Qc3 {0}
     61596   0.237   0.17  6t  1.Bc4 Qxc4 2.Bxf6 g6 3.Nh6+ Kf8 4.Qd2 a4 {0}
    120186   0.390   0.17  6.  1.Bc4 Qxc4 2.Bxf6 g6 3.Nh6+ Kf8 4.Qd2 a4 {0}
    188206   0.533   0.31  7t  1.Bc4 Qxc4 2.Bxf6 g6 3.Nh6+ Kf8 4.Qd2 a4 5.Rad1
                               {0}
    279526   0.725   0.31  7.  1.Bc4 Qxc4 2.Bxf6 g6 3.Nh6+ Kf8 4.Qd2 a4 5.Rad1
                               {0}
    459022   1.103   0.25  8t  1.Bc4 Qxc4 2.Bxf6 g6 3.Nh6+ Kf8 4.Qd2 a4 5.Rad1
                               Rac8 {0}
    725340   1.680   0.25  8.  1.Bc4 Qxc4 2.Bxf6 g6 3.Nh6+ Kf8 4.Qd2 a4 5.Rad1
                               Rac8 {0}
   1407664   3.258   0.20  9t  1.Bc4 Qxc4 2.Bxf6 g6 3.Nh6+ Kf8 4.Qd2 a4 5.Rad1
                               Re6 6.Ng4 Ke8 {0}
   3531647   8.268   0.20  9.  1.Bc4 Qxc4 2.Bxf6 g6 3.Nh6+ Kf8 4.Qd2 a4 5.Rad1
                               Re6 6.Ng4 Ke8 {0}
   5560587  13.172   0.17 10t  1.Bc4 Qxc4 2.Bxf6 g6 3.Nh6+ Kf8 4.Qd2 Re6 5.Ng4
                               h5 6.Qh6+ Ke8 7.Qh8+ Bf8 8.Bg7 Ke7 {0}
  13240819  32.555   0.17 10.  1.Bc4 Qxc4 2.Bxf6 g6 3.Nh6+ Kf8 4.Qd2 Re6 5.Ng4
                               h5 6.Qh6+ Ke8 7.Qh8+ Bf8 8.Bg7 Ke7 {0}
  19868019  47.874   0.14 11t  1.Bc4 Qxc4 2.Bxf6 g6 3.Nh6+ Kf8 4.Qd2 Re6 5.Ng4
                               h5 6.Qh6+ Ke8 7.Qh8+ Bf8 8.Bg7 Ke7 9.Nxe5 Nxe5
                               10.Bxe5 {80}
  69733869  3:10.5   0.14 11.  1.Bc4 Qxc4 2.Bxf6 g6 3.Nh6+ Kf8 4.Qd2 Re6 5.Ng4
                               h5 6.Qh6+ Ke8 7.Qh8+ Bf8 8.Bg7 Ke7 9.Nxe5 Nxe5
                               10.Bxe5 {80}
  89298000  4:00.4   0.14 12t  1.Bc4 Qxc4 2.Bxf6 g6 3.Nh6+ Kf8 4.Qd2 Re6 5.Ng4
                               h5 6.Qh6+ Ke8 7.Qh8+ Bf8 8.Bg7 Ke7 9.Nxe5 Nxe5
                               {-260}
 257301734 12:26.0   0.15 12t+ 1.Rc1 Ne7 2.Qf3 Nd7 3.Bxe7 Bxe7 4.Bb5 Bg5 5.Qg3
                               Kf8 6.Qxg5 g6 {350}
 336399294 16:42.0   0.16 12t  1.Rc1 Rec8 2.Qe2 Nd7 3.Qg4 Qg6 4.c3 Nf6 5.Qh4H
                               Nd7H {HT} {10}
 381001784 18:53.5   0.16 12.  1.Rc1 Rec8 2.Qe2 Nd7 3.Qg4 Qg6 4.c3 Nf6 5.Qh4
                               Nd7 {HT} {10}
 809501466 41:28.9   0.10 13t  1.Rc1 Ne7 2.Nxe7+ Bxe7 3.c3 dxc3 4.Rxc3 Rac8
                               5.Bxf6 Bxf6 6.Qc2 Rxc3 7.Qxc3 Rd8 8.Rc1 Qd6
                               {HT} {0}
 830457245 42:31.4   0.11 13t+ 1.Bc4 Qxc4 2.Bxf6 g6 3.Nh6+ Kf8 4.Qd2 Re6 5.Ng4
                               h5 6.Qh6+ Ke8 7.Qh8+ Bf8 8.Bg7 Ke7 9.Nxe5 Rc8
                               {80}
 880959982 44:54.9   0.14 13t  1.Bc4 Qxc4 2.Bxf6 g6 3.Nh6+ Kf8 4.Qd2 Re6 5.Ng4
                               h5H 6.Qh6+H Ke8H 7.Qh8+H Bf8H 8.Bg7H Ke7H {HT}
                               {0}
1300059964 1:05:47   0.14 13.  1.Bc4 Qxc4 2.Bxf6 g6 3.Nh6+ Kf8 4.Qd2 Re6 5.Ng4
                               h5 6.Qh6+ Ke8 7.Qh8+ Bf8 8.Bg7 Ke7 {HT} {0}
1439413633 1:12:07   0.12 14t  1.Bc4 Qxc4 2.Bxf6 g6 3.Nh6+ Kf8 4.Qd2 Re6 5.Ng4
                               Ke8 6.Bg7 Be7 7.b3 Qc5 8.Rfd1 a4 9.Rab1 {0}
1626637479 1:22:08   0.13 14t+ 1.Qf3 Nd7 2.Qg4 Qg6 3.Nh4 a4 4.Nxg6 fxg6
1838182293 1:32:47   0.13 14t  1.Qf3 Nd7 2.Qg4 Qg6H 3.Nh4H Qe6H 4.Qxe6H Rxe6H
                               5.Bc4H Rd6H 6.Rfd1H a4H {HT} {10}
3648740766 3:07:41   0.13 14.  1.Qf3 Nd7 2.Qg4 Qg6 3.Nh4 Qe6 4.Qxe6 Rxe6 5.Bc4
                               Rd6 6.Rfd1 a4 {HT} {10}
2777542436 6:10:35   0.16 15t  1.Qf3 Nd7 2.Bd2 Qg6 3.Rac1 a4 4.Bb5 Nb6 5.c3
                               Rad8 6.Rfd1 Re6 7.Bxc6H {HT} {350}
3075043503 6:25:24   0.17 15t+ 1.Bc4 Qxc4 2.Bxf6 g6 3.Nh6+ Kf8 4.Ng4 h5 5.Qd2
                               Re6 6.b3 Qa6 7.Nxe5 Nxe5 8.Qh6+ Ke8 9.Bxe5 d3
                               10.Qh8+ Bf8 {80}
3298093060 6:35:57   0.17 15t  1.Bc4 Qxc4 2.Bxf6 g6H 3.Nh6+H Kf8H 4.Ng4H Re6H
                               5.b3H Qc3H 6.Ra2H {HT}
1975758719 9:17:10   0.17 15.  1.Bc4 Qxc4 2.Bxf6 g6 3.Nh6+ Kf8 4.Ng4 Re6 5.b3
                               Qc3 6.Ra2
3187900167 10:17:25   0.17 16t  1.Bc4 Qxc4 2.Bxf6 g6 3.Nh6+ Kf8 4.Ng4 Re6 5.b3
                               Qc3 6.Qc1 Kg8 7.Rd1 Be7 8.Rd3 Qc5 9.Rf3 Bxf6
                               10.Nxf6+ Kh8 {HT} {0}



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