Author: Peter Berger
Date: 09:47:20 07/23/03
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On July 23, 2003 at 11:52:10, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >On July 23, 2003 at 11:24:54, Peter Berger wrote: > >>On July 23, 2003 at 11:19:20, Kurt Utzinger wrote: >> >>>On July 23, 2003 at 10:26:52, Mihaly Szalai wrote: >>> >>>>The CM 9000 default personality is rated 2789 on my Celeron 1.7 GHz >>>>machine. My Hungarian rating is 2127. Are we in the same class? No. >>>>It simply cannot handle this opening properly, unless it counts >>>>as success a draw with black (as I do against a comp with any colour). >>>> >>>> >>>>[Event "Chessmaster 9000 Rated Game"] >>>>[Site ""] >>>>[Date "2003.7.23"] >>>>[Round ""] >>>>[White "Szalai"] >>>>[Black "Chessmaster"] >>>>[TimeControl "3600+5"] >>>>[Result "1/2-1/2"] >>>> >>>>1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.h3 e6 4.e3 Bd6 5.Bd3 c5 6.c3 O-O 7.O-O Nc6 8.Nbd2 >>>>Qc7 9.Re1 Bd7 10.a3 c4 11.Bc2 Ne7 12.e4 dxe4 13.Nxe4 Nxe4 14.Bxe4 f6 >>>>15.Bd2 Nd5 16.Qb1 f5 17.Bc2 Rac8 18.Ne5 Bxe5 19.Rxe5 Qd6 20.Qd1 Qb6 >>>>21.Rb1 Qd6 22.Ra1 Qb6 23.Rb1 Qd6 24.Ra1 1/2-1/2 >>> >>> I have not yet studied the game, but am pleased that at least one person >>> has understood what I meant with my comments regarding my personal matches >>> "Man vs Machine". For players in the range of 2000 Elo and higher, it is >>> still quite possible to get a lot of draws against the strongest computer >>> programs, provided these players do no aim to win the game. >>> Kurt >> >>Hi Kurt, >> >>it is obviously not a question of strength alone. Do you own a copy of Chess >>System Tal II ? To my experience it is quite tough to get draws from it as it >>likes to mix things up and it might score better than some top programs against >>you. >> >>Of course you might also have better chances to win a game ;). >> >>Peter > > Hi Peter > A fantastic example you have mentioned here. Of course do I own > a copy of Chess System Tal II and I know from my experience that > it is a much harder task to get a draw vs the unsteady playing CST II. > On the other hand I agree with you, it is more likely to also win a > game in situations where CST II has followed a completeley wrong path. > Kurt When CST was new I had it playing on an ICC account for a longer time with quite slow hardware (P233). It was an interesting experience and it did definitely much better against humans than other programs of compairable strength in comp-comp games. Humans and especially the computer-killers have a tendency to trust the computer when it is about tactics and insane sacrifices are a very useful weapon for the chessengine. Of course the humans adapted after some time, but CST still did clearly better than over engines of compairable strength in comp-comp games. It always _did_ something, so that the human had to work very hard. Of course this was mainly with blitzgames where this tactic might be more effective anyway, but then the anti-comp specialists at ICC used to do very well against other programs who allowed them to play at that time and time control. Peter
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