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Subject: Re: Opinions requested -- what to do when qsearch ends in checkmate...

Author: José Carlos

Date: 07:31:20 07/25/03

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On July 25, 2003 at 08:10:47, Uri Blass wrote:

>On July 25, 2003 at 04:34:35, Amir Ban wrote:
>
>>On July 25, 2003 at 02:41:22, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>
>>>Now, a qsearch ending in checkmate may or may not really be a checkmate. After
>>>all, we only tried certain moves and it could very well be that the checkmate
>>>could be avoided.
>>>
>>>So, the burning question is...
>>>What should we do when the qsearch ends in a mate?
>>>There are lots of alternatives, from the primitive "return a mate" to "send a
>>>danger signal up the tree and let the regular search deal with it" to
>>>"extending" to...
>>>
>>>What is your favorite choice and why?
>>
>>I don't see where opinion comes in. In a node where all legal moves are not
>>considered static eval is the minimum.
>>
>>Amir
>
>I think that it is not so simple.
>
>Suppose you find in the qsearch that all captures are losing because of
>checkmate.

  You miss the point. It's not that all captures lead to checkmate, it's that
you don't detect checkmates. Particularly, Amir was talking about a position
with no captures out of check. If you don't try all legal moves, you don't know
if you're checkmated. You can assume it if you want, but I don't think that the
probability of capturing the checking piece, or capturing something to go out of
check, is bigger than 0.50 for all in-check positions, thus you're gonna make
more than 50% mistakes.

  José C.


>You do not analyze quiet moves but there is a significant probability that quite
>moves also cannot save you from checkmate.
>
>If you return static evaluation then you do not use important information and it
>may be more logical to return something lower than the static evaluation
>that considers the probability that you can do nothing against the checkmate
>threat.
>
>Uri



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