Author: Rajen Gupta
Date: 14:38:14 07/25/03
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i am not saying that king has or has not the advantage with ponfer off or on as so far i have only tested s704 and partly j8 against f8 with ponder on. different engines will have different time managements and the results will vary to a certain extent; however the initila results have o much difference that i do not any more attach any value to ponder off; i have noticed significant differences in behavious between ponder off and ponder on: and you cannot overcome these differences by giving extra time in ponder off. shredder and even more so junior have different time management than fritz: each of them uses up alomost all the allocated time in ponder on while fritz often uses much less; shredder and even more so junior think for a lot longer in crucial positions where they have to choose between different lines and play a lot more quickly at other times when there is only 1 good move; fritz does not show this behavior to the same extent;(i have noted junior uing 45 min for a single move in a 120min/ for 60 move time control; you will never see this even if you give 4hrs for 60 mmoves with ponder off; this sort of time management results in crucial moves which alter the outcome of the game significantly. while playing with ponder off there is much less variation in time used per move as well as the total time taken for a set number of moves and hence the time management is almost similar between these programmes; these differences yield completelty different results in eng vs eng testing; the performance of shredder7 and junior is hugely better on 2 comps than on 1 against fritz8; if you like i can send you the games and results: as a result of these differences i have stopped considering any results with ponder offOn July 25, 2003 at 17:21:50, Milorad Madjar wrote: >On July 25, 2003 at 16:54:13, Rajen Gupta wrote: > >>On July 25, 2003 at 16:41:14, Milorad Madjar wrote: >> >>>On July 25, 2003 at 16:28:21, Rajen Gupta wrote: >>> >>>>any eng vs eng match with ponder off is completely meaningless and without any >>>>value: the results obtained do not in any way correspond with roughly equivalent >>>>time control when 2 computers/processors are used with ponder on! >>>> >>>>it is like have a race between runners who have one leg tied behind their back >>>>and have to hop on one leg or a boxing match in which the competitors are >>>>allowed to use only 1 hand. >>>> >>>>rajen >>> >>>Hi Rajen >>> >>>I don't see that kind of criticism about ponder off in the past . >>>I think for tournament's or any eng vs eng match to organize other people. >>>Therefore I don't understend you. >>> >>>Regards >>>Milan >> >>i thought the same as you till i recently moved back home and managed to get my >>second comp next to my first and started playing eng vs eng matches on 2 >>computers; ( i also have an old comp which i use for general work and internet >>so that it does not interfere with the matches) >> >>the results are completely different; i have so far only tested fritz8 vs >>shredder704 and between fritz8 and junior8; but although i am awaiting more >>matches so far the differences are startling: >> >>you are unlikely to hear any criticism as most testers dont have 2 equal comps >>or a dual system so they will always test with ponder off! the very few people >>who do have an identical dual system or 2 comps will always test with ponder on; >>i will not post the results here but if you want to know i can send you the >>results and games of my matches between f8; s704 nad junior8 with and without >>ponder off and you can decide for yourself! > >Hi again, >if I understand you: >If you think that you right that means The King have advantage in ponder off vs >Fritz 8 or Junior 8 , please explain me and to another where is this advantage , >where is hide ??? >You can receive difference rezult of two ches programes (Junior 8 and Fritz 8 >for example) in same condition in the first 10 games than second 10 games than >third 10 games ..... and what is your termination. Who is the best ? When you >finish your perfect test afther one year or two, we will have of that time >Junior 10 and Fritz 10 , and who want now result of your perfect test ? > >Regards >Milan
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