Author: Milorad Madjar
Date: 15:11:38 07/25/03
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some advantage for one or another chess program in the game is natural.We can't avoid that.For example factor opening book,some openings give advantage for one chess programs and some for another , factor time same, ponder off or on same,hash , table, GUI,....and who can know all that. I'm make this tournament in this condition, probability some chess program have advantage , but I really don't know is it The King or Junior 8 . Condition can't been sterile and absolute identical. If you can organize the tournament with same chess programes as I with ponder on, and I bet that you organize several tournament in the "same and fair" condition, you will receive different result. Which is real ? Regards Milan On July 25, 2003 at 17:38:14, Rajen Gupta wrote: >i am not saying that king has or has not the advantage with ponfer off or on as >so far i have only tested s704 and partly j8 against f8 with ponder on. >different engines will have different time managements and the results will vary >to a certain extent; however the initila results have o much difference that i >do not any more attach any value to ponder off; > >i have noticed significant differences in behavious between ponder off and >ponder on: and you cannot overcome these differences by giving extra time in >ponder off. > >shredder and even more so junior have different time management than fritz: each >of them uses up alomost all the allocated time in ponder on while fritz often >uses much less; shredder and even more so junior think for a lot longer in >crucial positions where they have to choose between different lines and play a >lot more quickly at other times when there is only 1 good move; fritz does not >show this behavior to the same extent;(i have noted junior uing 45 min for a >single move in a 120min/ for 60 move time control; you will never see this even >if you give 4hrs for 60 mmoves with ponder off; this sort of time management >results in crucial moves which alter the outcome of the game significantly. > >while playing with ponder off there is much less variation in time used per move >as well as the total time taken for a set number of moves and hence the time >management is almost similar between these programmes; > >these differences yield completelty different results in eng vs eng testing; the >performance of shredder7 and junior is hugely better on 2 comps than on 1 >against fritz8; if you like i can send you the games and results: as a result of >these differences i have stopped considering any results with ponder offOn July >25, 2003 at 17:21:50, Milorad Madjar wrote: > > >>Hi again, >>if I understand you: >>If you think that you right that means The King have advantage in ponder off vs >>Fritz 8 or Junior 8 , please explain me and to another where is this advantage , >>where is hide ??? >>You can receive difference rezult of two ches programes (Junior 8 and Fritz 8 >>for example) in same condition in the first 10 games than second 10 games than >>third 10 games ..... and what is your termination. Who is the best ? When you >>finish your perfect test afther one year or two, we will have of that time >>Junior 10 and Fritz 10 , and who want now result of your perfect test ? >> >>Regards >>Milan
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